1. Matt 1:23 gives us the word "Immanuel" as a name for
Jesus. Most significantly, the Apostle Matthew gives us
the meaning of this word, an apostolic definition, if you
will ----------- God with us.
This single sentence should end the controversry, but, of course,
people will choose to follow their bias.
cd: On this I am in total agreement
John.
2. Secondly, Col 1:19-20 tells us that Christ
reconciled all thing UNTO HIMSELF. If Christ were only the
representative of God, there would be no value in having
drawn all things, on the earth and in the heavens unto
Himself. This passage makes sense only as one admits to the
deity of the incarnate Christ -- we should not forget that
the act of reconciliation was performed in the body of His
flesh.
cd: On this I am in agreement as Jesus flooded
the earth and was the great" I Am" that Moses spoke to in the
burning bush. Christ is also seen as the Captain of the Lord of
Hosts in Joshua 5 :13-15. ( Note that no Angelic being
ever allowed this type of worshiping to happen due in my opinion
to Godly fear).
3. John 17:5 establishes the fact that the Son shared
the glory of the Father before the foundations of the
world, estalishing His eternity as the Son.
cd: Again we agree.
4. In view of the fact that "Only begotten" is a term
that actually means "only unique" and has nothing to do with the
birth or appointment of Christ, there is no biblical hint
that Christ became the Son of God. He is,
therefore, the eternal Son, never becoming
-- always being.
cd: There is a shade of disagreement here as I view
Christ as taking on a subjective role while a man-with all the
frailties of a man-while in the form of man. Yet not
forgetting the Glory/ Honor he held with the Father before
the foundation of the world.In that earthly form he showed strong
tears and crying before God and was heard in that He
feared God Hebrews 5:7. He is also shown as the Lord
almighty in Rev 1:8 so the son ship role did/is/will end(ed) to
total equality.
5. John - chapter one - teaches us that the Logos
and Jesus, the Son, are one and the same: "He was in
the world (incarnation !!) and the world was made by Him and
the world did not know Him."
cd: I agree with this towards a hint of the
"word" of St. John1 being more than just a son as 1;1 shows
Christ's Deity as God .
6. Matt 16:16 has Peter confessing that Jesus is
the Christ, the Son of the living God," a wonderful
statement that looses its vaule if it means "thou are the Christ ,
the Holy Representative of the living God."
cd: On this I strongly agree as to be anything
else -such as a prophet-is to make Christ a liar-for he said
"I am" and the Jews clearly understood this to mean equal
with God as they sought to kill him. King Nebuchadnezzar make
this same claim and was struck with insanity for 7 yrs.
I hope I am not confusion anyone-if so push for the explanation.
Bill if you were asking for something else or more please
clarifly.
Hoping to help.
jd
