Re: [TruthTalk] Reconciliation to the Father through Christ (JD)

[Taylor]

I'll tell you what, Judy, your constant accusation that we (John, Lance, myself, et al) are conforming to the Church fathers, is nothing but an ad hom and needs to stop, so we can get on to discussing the truth of this matter. How about a compromise? We'll be content to accept your charge against us, that we embrace Orthodoxy on this subject, the stated confession of the Church throughout the ages; if you'll accept the opposite and embrace the fact that you are therefore a heretic -- by the same confession of course! That way, when we discuss God, we'll know who among us are orthodox in our beliefs and who heretical, and we won't need to get into silly and pointless ad hominem arguments. Is that all right with you?   We'll be the orthodox group and you the heretic: a compromise! Are you willing to do that?     Bill ----- Original Message ----- From: Judy Taylor To: truthtalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2006 4:12 AM Subject: [TruthTalk] Reconciliation to the Father through Christ (JD)   JD, I may be mistaken but I get the idea you are constantly striving over these "Jesus is God" and "Eternal Son" issues to try to conform scripture to the teachings of the Church Fathers or what is known as "Orthodoxy" extra Biblical teachings that have been handed down generationally.   Why not submit oneself to God's Word and allow Him to give you understanding.  You know how every word is established by two or more scriptural witnesses? Well here is another witness to the truth of Col 1:19.   "It was God (personally present in Christ), reconciling and restoring the world to favor with Himself, not counting up and holding against (men) their trespasses (but cancelling them) and committing to us the message of reconciliation (of the restoration to favor)." (2 Cor 5:19) Amp   Notice it does not say it was Christ as God who reconciled the world to himself?   The Holy Spirit is part of the Godhead - He is equal to both Father and Son; Jesus as son of man walked in His fullness.  So tell me, what is wrong with just allowing God to be God and allowing His Word to reveal His intent to this generation?  We don't want to repeat Israel's error ... you know the stiff neck syndrome... -- This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by Plains.Net, and is believed to be clean.