[I'm quite excited because in the course of
writing the second paragraph below, I became aware of knowing something
important.]
From what I've read of the exchange, it's
hard to tell what Judy really believes about Jesus. To me it seems that
she does not respond to what is being said so much as to who is saying
it: all she knows is that she must disagree
with JD and Bill. This is what I mean when I
characterize her as disingenuous.
Believe me Debbie Sawczak this is not
"all she knows" - This is just what you think is all she knows because
you have no frame of reference for what she writes.
How indefensible her
statement to the effect that if something is beyond our human
comprehension--in terms of logical deconstruction--it can't be true,
that this is what is meant by "God gives understanding". It is in fact just the opposite. Through
logic, ideas are entailed by, ultimately contained
in, other ideas already in our heads. There would never be any need
for revelation, nor any knight's moves, and ideas would have priority
over persons.
I did not make any such statement
so what is indefensible is a figment of your own imagination Debbie. I
was referring to the habit
of the Church Fathers - who always
called what they could not explain a "mystery" - this is a
tradition that has carried through
and appears in the rcc as well as some
other denominations today as opposed to the Promise of the Father which
is the Spirit who
will lead us into
ALL Truth.
The tone of the whole
Bible is otherwise. This is the Tree, you see, and the whole Bible is about knowing
God versus eating from the Tree.
Not so Debbie; the whole Bible is
about which tree one chooses to eat from; also
there is no way for us to KNOW GOD aside
from abiding in Him and His
Words (from the tree of life) abiding in us. So you
are hooked to one tree or the other whether or not you
are
presently aware.
We come back to the book I just bought
("Relational logic"--as opposed
to Greek logic!) and to McGrath's
intellectual shift having so much to do with "getting to know" Torrance. It has come up
before in conversations you and I have had about changing one's
mind: it always has to do with relationship. You know things by
opening yourself to a person. Persons have priority
over ideas. Hey, that is Polanyi, too!! Wow, this all
meshes!! Just composing this paragraph made some connections
obvious to me. D
So you are all into Torrance and Polyani
and human relations/relationships. Oh well!! I guess you
will become like your teachers ... "For what person perceives (knows and
understands) what passes through a man's thoughts except the man's own
spirit within him?" 1 Cor 2:11(Amp). But you don't get to learn God's thoughts which are higher than
mans, or His ways which are so much wiser. He never trained Moses
relationally, he had to spend 40yrs on the far side of the desert before
he was fit for ministry. Same with the educated Pharisee of the
Pharisees Saul. It took up to
14yrs out in the desert alone after being knocked from his donkey before
he was fit to go out and he clearly says that he did not confer with flesh ....
