No, Judy, this is NOT the movie I'm recommending. I can always trust you to get it wrong. Why is that invariably the case?
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There is, Dean, more to everyone. For an excellent example of this see 'Crash'. Rent it, watch it with someone and, have a discussion. It exemplifies this point. IMO, a truly important film.
 
Here is an online Review - Is this the movie you are encouraging Dean to go see Lance?
I'm wondering how in the world this relates in any way to Kevin.....
 

MOVIE REVIEW
Crash, directed by David Cronenberg, based on the novel by J.G. Ballard

Bodies colliding

By David Walsh

First, a few words in defense of Canadian director David Cronenberg's Crash. The film, based on a 1973 novel by British science fiction writer J.G. Ballard, has provoked a ridiculous scandal.

A middle class couple--James (James Spader) and Catherine Ballard (Deborah Unger)--seems bored and alienated. A serious car accident shakes James out of his routine. He chooses to assign it some erotic significance. Through the widow (Holly Hunter) of a man killed in the crash, he comes into contact with a group, headed by Vaughan (Elias Koteas), that derives sexual pleasure from car collisions. Its members specialize in reenacting famous auto accidents--those of James Dean, Jayne Mansfield, etc. James, Catherine, Vaughan and the latter's disciples proceed to explore the various sexual possibilities of the automobile, including some that involve risking their lives in highway traffic.

The film's harshest critics, including Ted Turner, whose Fine Line Features held up the US release of Crash for months, have denounced the film as perverse and "sick" for its linking of sex and auto crashes. At the Cannes film festival last year, two jurors refused to have any part in rewarding Cronenberg's work its special prize--for "originality, daring and audacity." They reportedly raised the possibility that the film might provoke copycat incidents. All this is absurd from two points of view.

The identification of sex, machinery (cars, planes, boats) and high velocity--with the implicit thrills and dangers--is hardly Cronenberg's discovery. It would be a serious challenge to name a single major action picture of the past several decades that hasn't made that largely unconscious association. Or, for that matter, a single automobile advertisement carried on Turner's various cable stations. Cronenberg was entirely within his rights when he commented, in an interview, "I'm always a little taken aback when people say, 'What is this weird connection you're making between sex and cars?' Are you serious? Do they want me to explain that? It's pretty obvious!"

Literal interpretation

Above and beyond that, there is another consideration: is the artistic image meant to be interpreted literally, as the opponents of Crash suggest? Why single out Cronenberg's protagonists? Isn't there an equal danger, according to the pragmatic logic of these arguments, that film and television viewers will seek to imitate the absurd and often reckless exploits of the various law enforcement officials, divine agents and time travelers who currently people the large and small screens?

This issue has serious implications, particularly when the state or corporate censor steps in. (This is the second work whose release Turner has played a part in obstructing, the other being Anjelica Huston's Bastard Out of Carolina.) It would be better to be guided by André Breton's notion that an artistic work "is to be judged not on the successive representations it makes, but on its power to incarnate an idea, to which these representations, freed of any need for rational connection, serve only as a starting point." (Emphasis added.)

Defending Cronenberg against the philistines is, however, not the same thing as embracing his film. He has described Crash as "an existentialist romance." He explained in an interview: "It's a story about two people who have to reinvent everything you might think of as an absolute in order to come back and find each other again, to find a way to relate to each other.... When we first meet them, they're kind of in despair, desperate--but quietly, because they're going through the motions, just like everybody else. The car accident is an epiphany that unleashes a kind of awareness ... of their responsibility to reinvent all those things that have meaning."

In regard to the erotic elements of the film, Cronenberg commented: "Despite the fact that every society has a way of enshrining sex so that it's all right, so that it's socially acceptable ... there's still the feeling that there's something subversive about it, deliciously wrong, deliciously perverse. And, so, I think that connects very definitely with what happens in a car crash or an accident--it's sort of socially disruptive and socially unacceptable."

Cronenberg (The Brood, Scanners, Videodrome, The Fly, Dead Ringers, etc.), a talented and provocative filmmaker, has the uncanny ability to seek out and probe areas of psychic discomfort, to bring nightmares disturbingly to life. Crash has many legitimate and even beautiful images. Yet ultimately one has to question Cronenberg's somewhat glib references to the "subversive" and "socially disruptive."

Something at the heart of the film seems untenable and internally contradictory. One feels obliged to ask: what is the true subject of Crash--the vast themes of human estrangement and sexuality or the small change of auto collisions? These elements are never convincingly brought together, nor, frankly, could they be.

Cronenberg, following Ballard, has determined that car crashes have a profoundly sexual content. This seems, in the final analysis, rather arbitrary and subjective. Every human activity, even the most catastrophic, has an erotic element, as it does an intellectual and an emotional element. It seems the filmmaker could as easily have chosen for his subject fighting (or setting) forest fires or swimming in shark-infested waters.

Collecting a series of references to sex and automobiles, with an inevitably eclectic variety of themes in tow, and forcing them into a scenario is no guarantee of coherence. The lives and deaths of James Dean and Jayne Mansfield, for example, have very little in common.

In any event, the fascination, which no doubt contains a sexual element, with certain deceased pop icons has less to do with the manner in which they died than it does with the unhappy fact that large numbers of men and women think that the fates of even certain dead people are preferable to their own. Treating John F. Kennedy's assassination as a peculiar kind of traffic fatality also somehow misses the point, or at least fails to make an intelligible one.

Nor does the film, Cronenberg's explanation notwithstanding, provide any proof that the renewed connection, if such there be, between its central figures, has any relation to the automobile. One of the more moving scenes takes place in their bedroom. James tenderly examines the bruises on Catherine's body after her violent sexual encounter with Vaughan. Whatever its intended significance, the scene seems to say: here are the wounds, normally invisible, left by physical and emotional contact. What does this have to do with car crashes? Surely the critical exchanges in the film, and in life, take place between people, not people and things, although something about the former relationship is expressed in the latter.

Commitment to characters

One has to question, in short, the depth of Cronenberg's commitment to his characters. There are moments when his concern for their fate seems profound, as in the scene mentioned above and the film's final sequence. At other points the filmmaker seems distracted, more intrigued by the look and feel of automobiles and highway traffic.

Cronenberg falls victim, and not only in this film, to a technology fetishism. Like countless others in the science fiction field, he is capable of exercising the most extraordinary imagination, except in the sphere of social organization.

There is a historical and objective aspect to this problem. It is not accidental that so many artists earlier in this century, even those who primarily treated the world of nightmares, took for granted a dissatisfaction, even hatred, of the existing social reality. One would, however, be hard pressed to present Crash as an incitement, of any kind, to rebellion. (Indeed the film exudes a certain self-satisfaction. Cronenberg seems a little too pleased with his own audacity in making a film out of Ballard's "scandalous" novel.)

The satisfaction of elementary human needs is indeed a potentially revolutionary question, insofar as it becomes a matter of satisfying the needs of humanity as a whole, i.e., insofar as it becomes a social question. But Cronenberg's definition, cited above, of what is "socially unacceptable" is surely narrow and unsustainable.

Decades of political confusion and intellectual stagnation have very nearly succeeded in uncoupling words like "revolutionary," "avant-garde" and "subversive" from their original content. This film touches upon a critical issue--the bottomless and infinitely varied character of human desire--but then, sadly, retreats into photographing car wrecks.

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From: Dean Moore
Sent: January 12, 2006 07:08
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism & Freemasonry

 
 
 
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism & Freemasonry

How Kevin treats someone who is willing to listen to him for an extended period of time has little to do with the way he treats those on this forum with whom he disagrees.  
 
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cd: What I am trying to say is that there is more to Kevin than what you have seen.
 
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From: Taylor
Sent: 1/10/2006 1:02:01 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism & Freemasonry

I have had several encounters with SPs over the years, Dean. And I have observed Kevin's approach to ministry here on TT, not to mention others who have drifted in and out over the last couple of years. And so, I will be the first to admit to a limited experience. Yes, I hung around and listened on more than one occasion, as I was curious to see the kinds of reactions their preaching provoked. And no, it didn't seem to me that they ever really got to the Gospel. "Christ," it seemed, was but a segue to the soul of their message: "Repent, or be damn!"
 
Having said that, I am opened to having misjudged Street Preachers as a whole, by the few I have encountered. That is why I am open to meeting you in N.O.
 
Bill
cd: I would like to add in Kevin"s defense-that this forum is limited in it's expressive forms-One cannot truly learn another on this site- Kevin has a big heart for the lost and I have seen him stand and discuss truth for hours with one individual-Great patience and love shown by Kevin but not seen on this site.

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