Lance wrote: > DM should, IMO, acknowledge, clarify, and > expound that difference then, just move on.
Lance, I try not to make assumptions about what other people believe. Let Bill clarify his position first if you don't mind. I don't know whether or not Bill excludes the concept of sin from repentance. If he does, you will be hearing me expound upon our differences. You forget that you and Bill are better read and trained in theological matters. I am ignorant in this area. What seems clear to you is not clear to me. I didn't even notice that there might be a difference in our understanding of the word repentance until subsequent reads of his post prompted by your post claiming that Bill did not answer in the affirmative that repentance is part of the gospel. I'm expecting to see some back pedalling by Bill perhaps prompted from private posts by you, or to see Bill clarify his viewpoint on the place of the call to repentance in the preaching of the gospel. If Bill does have an esoteric definition of repentance, then his perspective that most people have no idea what it means to repent takes on many other considerations. Is salvation found in turning away from sin and turing to the person of Jesus Christ, or is it found by changing one's philosophy about the Godhead, from Judaic monotheism to understanding the Trinity! I'm truly still shell shocked that this is where we are at in our discussion. I am hoping that the answer is not what I think it is. Perhaps Judy has been right all along in her appraisal of you boys and I am the one who has been thinking too optimistically about your salvation and ontological status in Jesus Christ. David Miller. ----- Original Message ----- From: Lance Muir To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 6:56 AM Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] What is the gospel? EVERYONE on TT, Judy, believes their observations to be 'rooted and grounded' in Scripture. Each believes, where they are in their journey just now, to have reflected that which the Lord Himself would have them say. I BELIEVE THIS OF YOU. I BELIEVE THIS OF DM. ETC. However, when one encounters duplicity, faulty argumentation, a careless 'reading' of another's 'mail'..then, a corrective must be offered. Also JT, you and DM, rather strangely I would suggest, regularly demean any who acknowledge the contribution of another believer in print. It's almost like suggesting that all sufficiency is to be found in 'God, The Book, and You'. Accessing any other source whatsoever is cause for criticism. Now, as to the matter of 'repentance' (please correct me Bill if I'm misrepresenting you on this) DM and Bill have differing understandings. DM should, IMO, acknowledge, clarify, and expound that difference then, just move on. I'm with Bill on this one. God is with Bill on this one, IMO, of course. ----- Original Message ----- From: Judy Taylor To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Sent: January 13, 2006 06:29 Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] What is the gospel? How interesting - Debbie Sawzak is of a Calvinistic bent; because after all it is his doctrine that claims one must be regenerated before it is possible to repent because of "total depravity" and this comes out of a misunderstanding of the spiritual realities involved. On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 06:21:05 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: From: Debbie Sawczak Is repentance part of the Gospel? Yes, the NT is replete with directives to repent. But repentance is not a means by which or through which people are saved. It is Jesus Christ who is our Savior. Salvation is in him, complete with mediation on our behalf. Repentance is therefore our response to the greatest news the world has ever heard; it is our response to the good news of Jesus Christ. Amen. Lance, I now see what you meant today about the exchange bw Bill and David, having read the full message from Bill. The above is the crux, isn't it? It (esp the part I bolded) reminds me of what Victor said numerous times in his Human Person course: I know Christ first of all, before anything else, as my Saviour. The accountability, the repentance, arise out of that. D -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.17/226 - Release Date: 1/10/2006 ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
