In modern times, the call goes out, "say not that you are Catholic, say not
you have a pope, say not you are Baptist, or Methodist, or Lutheran, or
Presbyterian. God is able to raise up children from this sidewalk.
Judgment is coming and every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down
and cast into the fire. Turn away from your sins and believe upon the Lord
Jesus Christ in deed and in truth. He that says he believes in him will
keep his commandments." dm
you have a pope, say not you are Baptist, or Methodist, or Lutheran, or
Presbyterian. God is able to raise up children from this sidewalk.
Judgment is coming and every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down
and cast into the fire. Turn away from your sins and believe upon the Lord
Jesus Christ in deed and in truth. He that says he believes in him will
keep his commandments." dm
Why the quotes?
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From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> The problem with Debbie's analysis is that this street preacher does not
> herald a call from immoral living to moral living without Christ. Rather,
> the call is to turn from immoral living to a relationship with Jesus Christ.
> It's another one of those straw man divisions which does not really exist.
>
> Nevertheless, the Elijah spirit is one which prepares the way of the Lord,
> and one to which we ought not object. If you happen to have stumbled on a
> street preacher in the spirit of Elijah, you ought not object just because
> your theology tells you he is majoring on the minors. John the Baptist
> prepared people to believe upon Jesus by preaching the following:
>
> Luke 3:7-14
> (7) Then said he to the multitude that came forth to be baptized of him, O
> generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
> (8) Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say
> within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That
> God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.
> (9) And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree
> therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into
> the fire.
> (10) And the people asked him, saying, What shall we do then?
> (11) He answereth and saith unto them, He that hath two coats, let him
> impart to him that hath none; and he that hath meat, let him do likewise.
> (12) Then came also publicans to be baptized, and said unto him, Master,
> what shall we do?
> (13) And he said unto them, Exact no more than that which is appointed you.
> (14) And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying, And what shall we
> do? And he s aid unto them, Do violence to no man, neither accuse any
> falsely; and be content with your wages.
>
> In modern times, the call goes out, "say not that you are Catholic, say not
> you have a pope, say not you are Baptist, or Methodist, or Lutheran, or
> Presbyterian. God is able to raise up children from this sidewalk.
> Judgment is coming and every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down
> and cast into the fire. Turn away from your sins and believe upon the Lord
> Jesus Christ in deed and in truth. He that says he believes in him will
> keep his commandments."
>
> David Miller.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Taylor
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 12:03 PM
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is the gospel?
>
> Couldn't have said it better myself! In fact, what upsets me is that I
> couldn't have even said it }:<(
>
> Oh well, t hat's not going to stop me from agreeing with it :>)
>
> Well said, Debbie.
>
> Bill
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Lance Muir
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 12:20 PM
> Subject: Fw: [TruthTalk] What is the gospel?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Debbie Sawczak
> To: 'Lance Muir'
> Sent: January 14, 2006 14:18
> Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is the gospel?
>
> Of course it is sin and needs repenting of. (JD is actually making the same
> vocabulary mistake below as DM.) But it is not immorality; in fact, it is
> morality. Where this whole discussion of repentance began was with a
> critique of street preachers' focus on repentance as a call to turn from
> immoral living to moral living. As pointed out long ago by Bill and/or JD,
> the repentance urged on people in much biblical preaching was not a call to
> mo ral living, but a call to recognize God. Insofar as it was a call to moral
> living, it was to people who were already the people of God, and was a call
> to recognize God as covenant partner. Peter's sermon fits right into that
> and moves beyond it; the covenant is gathered up in Christ who turns out to
> be both its maker and keeper, and that is why repentance is sealed by being
> baptized into him.
>
> D
>
>
>
>
> From: Lance Muir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 1:45 PM
> To: Debbie Sawczak
> Subject: Fw: [TruthTalk] What is the gospel?
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Judy Taylor
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: January 14, 2006 12:54
> Subject: [TruthTalk] What is the gospel?
>
>
> Well it is something that needs to be repented of JD; if it is not sin, then
> why the need to repent?
> Dead works is something lifeless as opposed to works of righteousness which
> are the fruit of walking after the spirit.
> One is dead religion - the other is life and peace.
>
> On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 17:17:39 +0000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Yes -- and who said that "repentance from dead works" is speaking of
> sin, anyway? "Dead works" is that body of works that convinces someone
> that she is accpted by God RATHER THAN PLACING HER FAITH IN THE CHRIST and
> allowing Him and Him alone to be glorified in this [saving] function.
> Bill's comment is brilliant, I think, and as it is attached to Acts 2 --
> the best possible understanding of what happened on that First Day.
>
> There is no reason to think that the Hebrews writer has something else in
> mind when he speaks of repentance from the failing effort of self
> justification.
>
> jd
> From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> From: Deb bie Sawczak
>
> Dead works is not the same as immorality, which is what I think David means
> by sin. IMO, that [his equating sin with immorality] is where this false and
> hence problematic distinction arises between repentance from 'sin' and
> repentance from a failure to recognize who Christ is.
>
> yD
>
>
>
>
> From: Lance Muir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 10:01 AM
> To: Debbie Sawczak
> Subject: Fw: Fw: [TruthTalk] What is the gospel?
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: January 14, 2006 09:38
> Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] What is the gospel?
>
>
> Re: repentance: basically, your admitting that Bill's understanding of the
> Acts passage he posted is correct--i'd agree that's bible teaching
>
> however, the point yo u are trying to make about it, represented below, is a
> scripture dog that don't hunt--as usual, it is your own private notion
> universalized, shot through with geekness but rooted plainly (through
> contrast) in personalized philosophy, over which you sprinkle some home-brew
> holy water labeled 'Heb 6:1'
>
> the issue historically is that you don't study and think much about (e.g.)
> Heb 6:1 while continually presupposing that it matches your philosophical
> bias, bec to you it sounds always like it does
>
> in the end, it simply ain't bible teaching, Bro
>
>
> On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 23:46:06 -0500 "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> writes:
> ||
> > Surely you know better than to hang the entire gospel on one's
> > interpretation of one sermon.
> ||
> > Heb. 6:1 says that an elementary principle of the doctrine of Christ
> > is repentance from dead works. This clearly links repen tance and sin.
> ||
>
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