> [Original Message] > From: David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Date: 1/15/2006 11:04:44 PM > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Differences > > The entire post was included, John. Here we go again. I'm beginning to > think that not only do I have trouble understanding you, but you have > trouble understanding your own writing. :-) > > Jesus did not rebuke those who were already children of God. He rebuked > Pharisees and hypocrites whose father was Satan. > > When I teach and preach in my church, the reception is generally different > from public preaching and teaching. In church, it probably does not matter > much what I say, people are looking for ways to agree with me and say amen > for the most part. In public, while there are some who do that, most people > are antagonistic to the very idea of God. They hate God and many that > profess to be Christians are ashamed of God. Jews are generally curious as > to whether as a professor of Jesus Christ I would condemn them for being > Jewish. They love it when I call them God's chosen people and say that > Jesus and most of his apostles were Jews. cd: I tell them the same thing and get the same reaction-then take them to Isaiah. > > David Miller. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [email protected] ; [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 8:59 PM > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Differences > > > David, you need to include the entire post to which you refer. The first > quote is not something that I said as a point of fact, because, of course, > I believe that repentance is something other than confession and netiehr > plays a role in continuing our salvation. In other words, I do not confess > sin because I am lost until I do. > > Jesus rebuked those who were already the Children of God !!! Seems like > you should be preaching grace to the lost and do your rebuking in your own > church !! > > jd > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > John wrote: > > > If you sin and do not repent, for whatever > > > reason, will that single sin place you in hell. > > > > Not true, John. I cannot believe that you would argue such a point. > > > > John wrote: > > > You speak of rebuking and hell muhc more > > > ofter than I, of course. > > > > That's because Jesus spoke of rebuking and hell much more often than you > > do. > > > > John wrote: > > > Surely we would not check the same boxes > > > on whatever test !! LOL > > > > IMO, you overestimate our differences. If our differences are as severe as > > you make them out to be, then it would impossible for us both to be saved. > > Is that what you believe? > > > > David Miller > > > > > > ----- Original Mes sage ----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To: [email protected] ; [email protected] > > Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 4:32 PM > > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Differences > > > > See below > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > From: "David Miller" > > > > John wrote: > > Lance asked about the difference between the Christ of DM and JT and some > > others on this forum. There is so much confusion that one scarsely knows > > where to begin. Perhaps the best way to say it is this: they believe in a > > Christ of Law and grace and others believe in a Christ of Spirit and > > grace. > > The former insists that obedience is the path to God, ala the Old Law -- > > and the others believe that obedience is a response to the Indwelling - > > an indwelling that cannot possibly miss His mark because He has become a > > part of the ontology of the saint. > > > > John, the only confu sion on this is in your mind. No matter how many > > times > > I tell you what I believe, you prefer to believe falsely about me. You are > > not even close to characterizing how I believe. Just because I do not > > believe that the law has been done away, as per the teaching of Jesus, but > > rather that it is the covenant of law that has been made obsolete by the > > sacrifice of Christ, does not mean that I believe that obedience is the > > path > > to God ala the Old Law. I'm not aware of anyone on TruthTalk right now who > > thinks that way. Slade did, who you got along with just fine because of > > his > > hippy era liberal bent, but he is not here anymore. If you gave me a > > multiple choice test, I would check the same box you would, that obedience > > is a response to the Indwelling. I also would check the box for a Christ > > of > > Spirit and grace. Your antinomian bias has confused you concerning what I > > believe. > > > > > > If you sin and do not repent, for whatever reason, will that single sin > > place you in hell. You speak of rebuking and hell muhc more ofter than I, > > of course. Surely we would not check the same boxes on whatever test !! > > LOL > > > > > > I do have to ask you, however, that when you say, "an indwelling that > > cannot > > possibly miss the mark because He has become a part of the ontology of the > > saint," are you claiming an ontological infallibility for yourself simply > > because you are a Christian? > > > > > > I am acknowledging God's guarantee to complete the task He has initiated > > within me. If He has become a part of who I am, ontologically, then how > > can I be lost apart from an outright rebellion to his presense? With that > > in mind, I will answer your question in a single word, "Yes." > > > > > > > > > > > > David Miller. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] .org ; [email protected] > > Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2006 11:03 PM > > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Differences > > > > > > > > I am sure I agree --- but I do not dismiss the relational impact (whether > > positive or negative) of those on this site. > > > > When I came to this forum, I was a supporter of David M, typically > > conservative (for lack of a better term) and an oft defender of Judy > > Taylor. > > > > And what have I learned? That few on this site have a clue as to the > > meaning of "liberal." ........................ that some on this site > > place concepts (their concepts which they confuse with divine concpet) as > > more important than continuing relationships. > > > > Lance asked about the difference between the Christ of DM and JT and some > > others on this forum. There is so much confusion that one scarsely knows > > where to begin. Perhaps the best way to say it is this: they believe in a > > Christ of Law and grace and others believe in a Christ of Spirit and > > grace. > > The former insists that obedience is the path to God, ala the Old Law -- > > and the others believe that obedience is a response to the Indwelling - > > an indwelling that cannot possibly miss His mark because He has become a > > part of the ontology of the saint. > > > > That is how I see the difference. > > jd > > > > > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > From: "Dean Moore" > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > > To: [email protected];[email protected] > > Sent: 1/11/2006 7:59:37 PM > > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism & Freemasonry > > > > > > How Kevin treats someone who is willing to listen to him for an extended > > period of time has little to do with the way he treats those on this forum > > with whom he disagrees. > > > jd > > cd: What I am trying to say is that there is more to Kevin than what you > > have seen. > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > From: "Dean Moore" > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Taylor > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: 1/10/2006 1:02:01 AM > > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Mormonism & Freemasonry > > > > > > I have had several encounters with SPs over the years, Dean. And I have > > observed Kevin's approach to ministry here on TT, not to mention others > > who > > have drifted in and out over the last couple of years. And so, I will be > > the > > first to admit to a limited experience. Yes, I hung around and listened on > > more than one occasion, as I was curious to see the kinds of reactions > > their > > preaching provoked. And no, it didn't seem to me that they ever really got > > to the Gospel. "Christ," it seemed, was b ut a segue to the soul of their > > message: "Repent, or be damn!" > > > > Having said that, I am opened to having misjudged Street Preachers as a > > whole, by the few I have encountered. That is why I am open to meeting you > > in N.O. > > > > Bill > > cd: I would like to add in Kevin"s defense-that this forum is limited in > > it's expressive forms-One cannot truly learn another on this site- Kevin > > has > > a big heart for the lost and I have seen him stand and discuss truth for > > hours with one individual-Great patience and love shown by Kevin but not > > seen on this site. > > > > ---------- > > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may > > know how > > you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org > > > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a > > friend > > who wants to joi n, tell him to send an e-mail to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and > > he will be subscribed. > > ---------- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." 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