There is only one person who is the Father. Clearly, Jesus is
describing likeness. Whether you are Trinitarian or Oneness in doctrine
concerning the Godhead, the view is that Jesus and the Father are of the same
substance. If memory serves me correctly, the Greek word is actually the
same as that translated likeness.
In other words, in the same way that we speak of the likeness of Christ to
Father God, so also we should speak of his likeness to humanity and human
flesh.
David Miller.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 3:25
PM
Subject: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE
HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOT DIVINE
Likeness might mean like but not exactly like, but it also might mean so
much like it as to be indistinguishable. When we say that Jesus is
the
image of Father, or that he is like the Father, so much so that when
you
have seen Jesus you have seen the Father, it might be inappropriate to
say
that Jesus is like the Father, but not exactly like him. Do you
see it
differently, Judy? David Miller.
I don't know .... When He walked the earth as a
man He was not the Father
because He prayed to the
Father and when He said these words to Philip ie:
"If you have seen me you
have seen the Father" (John 14:9) I believe He is
referring to the ministry
rather than to Himself personally because
everything
He said and did (both
works and words) he had first seen the Father
saying
and doing which he explains further in John 14:10 and John 5:19.
----- Original Message -----
From: Judy Taylor
To:
[email protected]Sent:
Monday, January 16, 2006 11:17 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and
trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOT
DIVINE
Only a similitude or likeness even "in every way" is not the exact same
thing JD.
On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 16:12:30 +0000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If you
had responded by saying that the man Jesus did not have a human mind,
or a
human spirit, or a human soul, then I would have had to disagree; for
then
he would not have been like us in every way (cf. Heb 2.17).
Like us is "similitude" Bill - it does not mean exactly the "same
as" Every
human being born by procreation into this fallen
world
is also fallen. There is none righteous and none that does good
.... EXCEPT
ONE.
Judy argues "like us" in total disregard of the additional phrase
"IN EVERY
WAY"
On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 08:16:00 -0700 "Taylor" <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
I was
just wanting to better understand what you were wanting me to agree
with
in your statement: we agree if you view the Human part to also have
divine
thoughts. Having read your response I am comfortable that we can
agree.
The word "preoccupied" has a ring to it with which I am not
completely
satisfied, but I believe the man Jesus was preoccupied with doing
the will
of his heavenly Father; hence his thought-life was fully intuned to
the
divine.
If you had responded by saying that the man Jesus did not have a human
mind,
or a human spirit, or a human soul, then I would have had to
disagree; for
then he would not have been like us in every way (cf. Heb
2.17).
Like us is "similitude" Bill - it does not mean exactly the "same
as" Every
human being born by procreation into this fallen
world
is also fallen. There is none righteous and none that does good
.... EXCEPT
ONE.
And, while I understood what you were saying, I also hesitate to speak of
the person of Christ in terms of "parts": if he is fully human and fully
divine, then he is not partly one and partly the other. Anyway, I knew
what
you meant and could thus look through it.
Thanks,
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: Dean Moore
----- Original
Message -----
From: Taylor
So that I know for sure what you mean to convey, let me ask you: do you
as a
human have "divine thoughts"?
Bill
cd: Yes to a limited degree-but I cannot hold the perspective
that Christ is
limited in His divine thinking.I realize that the flesh
would influence one
thinking to my limited 'divine 'thoughts but with
Christ who walked
according to the Spirit I see no limitations. Nor do I
admit there has to be
such weakness in us as we also have the Spirit-We
simply are not willing to
pray and fast and abstain from things as one
should to weaken this flesh and
hence allow more diviness to control
us.
----- Original Message -----
From: Dean Moore
cd: Yes we agree if you view the Human part to also have divine
thoughts.
----- Original Message -----
From: Taylor
If I understand you correctly, Dean, you believe that Christ while
walking
this earth was fully God. I DO TOO. And if I understand you
correctly, you
also believe that Christ while on this earth was fully
human. I DO TOO.
Bill
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