:-) How is it that I understand you? Its kind of scary.
Look for the silent declaration of a debt paid as one flies with the eagles and comes to rest near an Ash tree close to home.
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patience is preaching in due time the word of our blessings (now or not yet) will come forthOn Tue, 17 Jan 2006 03:25:11 +0000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:Yes !! If you have not yet received the blessing of that endeavor -- I will send out another tomorrow and canel the first.................jd-------------- Original message --------------
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yo Bishop--didst thee send ferth de batman's cheque?On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 15:19:52 +0000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:As you look first here and , then, there for Me, you look in vain. You will cry out for My Presense, and [be assured} I will answer !! You will put your search in words and [be assured] I will speak, "You have found Me -- Here am I !!!"If -- ah yes, there is a condition -- If, I say, you stop the pointing of the finger, and remove the burden you place on others. If , I say, if you pour yourself out for the hungry and give yourself -- YOURSELF - to the afflicted in healing remedy, then, and only then, shall your light begin to appear, your personal darkness being swept away by the ever increasing light and [then] you will know that the Lord is your continual guide. The end of your personal drought and new found strength in your very bones will be the reward you search for {for I am the end of your thirst and the strength of your person). IS 58:9-11 JDS translation.That which is seen as self-effacing in our God is required of us, as well.jds-------------- Original message --------------
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----- Original Message -----From: Debbie SawczakTo: 'Lance Muir'Sent: January 15, 2006 20:32Subject: gloryHey, Lance! I am finally reading the last chapter of the Gunton book Jonathan lent me, having set it aside for a bit, and have just come to something that speaks very interestingly (for me, anyway) to the discussion, on TT, of glory as it relates to Jesus' deity and kenosis. The context is the respective mediatory functions of the Son and the Spirit in revelation:"The Spirit is the self-effacing person of the Trinity: the one whose function is to point away from himself to Jesus. Wherever there is revelation of any kind, there is the work of the creator and redeemer Spirit. But that is not John's primary concern, which is to show that revelation means glory, in the present, and it means Jesus. The Spirit reveals Jesus as the truth: as the revelation of God the Father...[T]he one to whom the Spirit points is also self-effacing, but in a different way. Jesus is revealed as the one whose work is to do the will of another, of the one who sent him...'We have seen his glory, the glory of the only begotten Son of the Father, full of grace and truth' (John 1:14)."The glory is the glory of one who washes the feet of his disciples, is lifted up on the cross, and only through the trial of death is elevated to the glory that is reigning with the Father. It is important to realize this if we are to understand what kind of Father is revealed by the incarnate Son. If it is indeed true that those who have seen him have seen the Father, then it is the Father who is revealed in the incarnate humanity of this man glorified through humbling."If I'm understanding this correctly, the point (inside the point about respective mediation) is that if Jesus revealed the Father while on earth, we have to allow all of that to be part of our idea of divine glory (although there is an eschatological aspect to that glory, too--the story of Jesus is not done yet. But even when glorified with the glory he had with the Father before the foundation of the earth, he remains and always will remain human). The danger, otherwise, is to get it backwards: decide who Jesus is, and who the Father is, by our own definitions of glory.Yes?D
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