and in that he was unlike us, as we do not have a divine
nature,
cd: Here is where we differ- If we have the
indwelling spirit guiding us and we allow the bit in our mouths-we will do and
think divine thoughts-because of that Spirit.
The Holy Spirit indwelling us
does not make us God in the way that Christ was God. In addition to being fully
human, the person of Christ was also the second person of the Godhead; he was
God. When we receive the Holy Spirit it is akin to the Holy Spirit coming upon
Jesus at his baptism -- but that is not when he became divine; he was
already God. The Holy Spirit ministered to his humanity, in the same way He
ministers to our humanity. We are not divine; we are not God -- even with the
indwelling Spirit of God.
cd: . . . Because of Him we can be Holy also "be
ye Holy" is a command from Christ and I don't believe He mocked by commanding us
to do something we are not able to do. Respectfully.
Actually, the literal translation
would be "ye shall be Holy," which is an indicative and not an imperative (i.e.,
a command), which is to say, "But as he which hath called you is holy, ye shall
be Holy ... because it is written, 'Ye shall be holy; for I am
holy.'"
But I do not really even have an
issue with that. No, certainly he was not mocked by that, and the
reason he is not mocked is because he defeated sin on our behalf, so that
with the Spirit's indwelling we can indeed become holy.
Bill
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Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 4:11
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus , neither
God nor Man
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Sent: 1/16/2006 8:37:00 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus ,
neither God nor Man
cd: Jd would you say Christ was the same as common
man?
It's Bill, but I would say that Christ's human
nature was the same as common man -- or statements like "he learned
obedience from the things he suffered" would be meaningless, or at least
irrelevant to us in our state.
cd: I am in agreement with you on this
Bill-Sorry for the mistake in your identity.
It was his divine nature that was great,
Dean,
cd: I am agreement with you on
this.
and in that he was unlike us, as we do
not have a divine nature,
cd: Here is where we differ- If we have the
indwelling spirit guiding us and we allow the bit in our mouths-we will do
and think divine thoughts-because of that Spirit.
but at no time did his divinity overwhelm his
humanity; instead it came alongside and worked in unison with his human
nature, producing obedience rather than sin.
cd: This is also where we disagree Bill and I
also think this is where you and Judy collide.Christ was also tempted as we
are but overcame that temptation-what you call "obedience." I see his
divinity as overwhelming the humanity unto subjection to the divine as He
did not sin and give lead way to the flesh and that is what make Him more
than what we were.He had a likeness in that He was flesh also but not of our
corruptible nature of sin-I am of course speaking of past tense prior to
salvation and of course allow that we walk in a Godly manner .Because of Him
we can be Holy also "be ye Holy" is a command from Christ and I don't
believe He mocked by commanding us to do something we are not able to
do.Respectfully.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 6:19
PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus ,
neither God nor Man
----- Original Message -----
Sent: 1/16/2006 7:34:30 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus ,
neither God nor Man
Luke writes that Jesus was born of the fruit of
David's genitals (Act 2.30): hence he was not some kind of new
humanity, freshly brewed with new material, unrelated to
fallen humankind; No, he is human like David was human, born on our
side of the fall.
And to the naysayers Jesus said, "Before Abraham was,
I AM"; hence Jesus pre-dated even Abraham, David' predecessor. But it
was not his humanity which pre-dated David; it was his divinity.
And notice: he did not say that his Father was the I AM, and that
he was copying him. No, Jesus said that he (and this before his
glorification) is I AM; that is, Yahweh, the LORD who
covenants with Abraham.
Jesus is FULLY GOD and fully man, two realities
in one person, united -- but make him anything less than
God or anything more than man and you are courting a
demon, who is powerless to save you.
Bill
cd: Jd would you say Christ was the same as
common man?
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