[TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOT DIVINE

Tue, 17 Jan 2006 13:32:28 -0800

 
 
On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 19:28:47 +0000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I can change while living under the Old Law, Judy  - 
 
No you can not JD; a leopard can not change it's spots; your old nasty nature will still be the same.
 
a law, by the way which is complete with sin offerings -- both deliberate and sins of ignorance. 
I don't Christ for forgivenss and direction.  I have the law. 
 
You know better JD, in fact you are ready to pitch the law to the curb, you are a rabid antinomian.
Shame on you for building another straw man on TT 
 
So tell me  --  what advantage is there in Christianity.   I am starting to think you are correct.  
 
The above is nothing more than a bold faced lie... You couldn't be hit with the water hose JD.
 
Jesus only appeared as a human, but really wans't.  And He once was God but forfeited that existence
and essence and position and power  so that He could become  something similar to a man. 
 
The above construct comes from an over active imagination... someone with ADHD
 
And why is that?  I mean, we have instruction and forgiveness with the Law.  It came from God  -  who doesn't make mistakes  --  so what purpose is there in the almost man , Jesus christ, who wasn't God on earth so that He could almost Man on earth ?   Where am I going wrong , here?   jd
 
You need to repent for trashing Lance's doctrine and go ask him how to get assumed JD.
 
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From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
He died so that you could change and be part of a New Creation in Him JD
If you are so proud of your old nasty sinner self then it's all yours but it won't go to heaven....
 
On Tue, 17 Jan 2006 07:52:14 +0000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Judy versus the Bible:
 
 
 
Really?  This is "another gospel" entirely - to claim that God just loves old nasty fallen
and mean humanity so much that He can't do without each and every one in the same
heaven he cast the devil they are in cahoots with out of?
 
 
For God so loved the WORLD
He died for us WHILE WE WERE YET SINNERS.
 
 
 
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From: "Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Judy, there is no communicating with you, as you don't even realize that we are in agreement on much of what you present for rebuttals. Please just stay where you are.
 
I'll leave,
 
Bill
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Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOTDIVINE

 
 
On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 11:35:51 -0700 "Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
It is humanity which Christ came to save, Judy. He did that by assuming human likeness.
 
What scripture do you base the above on Bill? The same one from Hebrews?
 
He was raised as well a human, Judy, and sits at his Father's side: a human being.
 
So now you claim that a transformed body without blood that is able to walk through
walls is in the likeness of our human bodies Bill?
 
We will be resurrected human, as well -- no longer with flesh and blood tainted body's
but with resurrected bodies; bodies all-the-more human, Judy -- not un-human.
 
Really?  This is "another gospel" entirely - to claim that God just loves old nasty fallen
and mean humanity so much that He can't do without each and every one in the same
heaven he cast the devil they are in cahoots with out of?
 
Do you cut out all the scriptures that teach us the earthy is earthy so we must be
born into a New Creation and have a complete overhaul to be fit for heaven:
 
Our minds must be renewed  (Rom 12:2)
Our souls need to be saved by the engrafted word (James 1:21)
Our bodies must be transformed at the last trump (1 Cor 15:52)
 
Cheeeesh,
 
That's what I say ... Judyt
 
Bill
 
On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 10:04:41 -0700 "Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Also "Flesh and blood DO NOT inherit God's Kingdom" Bill so what would be the purpose??
 
"What would be the purpose" of what, Judy; I don't understand the question.
 
Oh, weren't we discussing your concept or marriage as a picture of the unity of the Godhead?
The same is true with God. The bible teaches that the Lord is "one" and it uses the same word when saying this;
hence there is a oneness or unity within the nature of God, a coming together of a plurality in union
 
I am responding that God is a Spirit and so the one flesh/marriage Godhead symbology kind of falls flat.
So what would be the purpose of illustrating God's Kingdom with something that can never inherit it?
 
My hunch however is that it will be because God so loved the world ... 
 
Now where does the above fit into  this picture - says Judy scratching her head....
 
From: Taylor
so there is no way that this would be the same concept Bill. 
 
Why is that, Judy? Did "they" not create us in "their" likeness? (cf. Gen 1.26). 
 
On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 09:29:22 -0700 "Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
OK - I'm asking Bill, what husband, and what schism?
 
Oh, I thought you were married. The bible says that you and your husband (if you had one) were to become "one" flesh, in other words the two of you in coming together would be united -- and not just physically, I might add; it is the marriage "union" after all. The same is true with God. The bible teaches that the Lord is "one" and it uses the same word when saying this; hence there is a oneness or unity within the nature of God, a coming together of a plurality in union. 
 
God is a Spirit (Jn 4:24) so there is no way that this would be the same concept Bill. 
Sure the Godhead are One and united - in Spirit.
 
And so, since you suggested that if Christ be fully God and fully human there must be a schism, I was just wondering about the schism you have with your man. Why instead of schism aren't you united?
 
In marriage between humans it is "one flesh" Bill
 
There would only be a schism between the two natures of Christ if there were disunity between the two.
The person of Christ had no disunity; hence no schism.  Bill
 
There would have been disunity "big time" if he had a human nature - just like us and was in fact wholly God ATST; schizophrenic would be the right term.  Also "Flesh and blood DO NOT inherit God's Kingdom" Bill so what would
be the purpose??
 
 

OK - I'm asking Bill, what husband, and what schism?
 
On Mon, 16 Jan 2006 07:28:15 -0700 "Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
And while you're at it, will you explain your schism with your husband, too?
 
(If this needs clarification, just ask)
 
Bill
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From: Dean Moore
Sent: Monday, January 16, 2006 5:24 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOTDIVINE

 
 
 
 
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To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 1/14/2006 1:07:17 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] love and trinity THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST IS NOTDIVINE

Dean,
I think this is where "theology" gets itself tied in knots. This is what JD has been accusing me of for so long.
How ironic that his mentor Bill would write something like this.  I think Lance just repeated it to qualify something. 
So their Jesus must have a schism in his personality (or nature).  What about his saying to Philip "If you have
seen me you have seen the Father"  We know he wasn't speaking of his physical body here; so does God
The Father also have a schismatic personality.
 
cd: Judy can you define your usage of 'schismatic'.
 
On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 09:59:08 -0500 "Dean Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Well, yes and no, DH. I am included in that circle of love in the way that Christ's humanity is included in that relationship. But as the humanity of Christ is not divine, neither am I divine.
 
cd: Lance at this point- How do you define "Divine"?
 

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