Re: [TruthTalk] TT's ??

[Dean Moore]

 

 

 

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Dean writes:  

cd: The word tempted also means to test or try/prove-when used by God it is to test-when used by Satan is it an attempt to lead into sin-Tempatation.Christ was tested-proved Himself face to face with Satan-then began His ministry.

 

I fail to see the difference between being tempted by Satan and being tested by Satan. 

 

cd: Actually John it is to be tested by God and tempted to sin by Satan.

 

 

 They are exactly the same thing, in this case.   Are you saying that this is a test to qualify or disqualify Jesus as the Messiah of the Kingdom of God? 

 

cd: Yes this is exactly what I mean bro. I believe Christ had to be tested as Abraham was with his son-to prove Himself. I have no doubt that God knew that Jesus would resist Satan but the act had to be done.One must remember Satan has claim here also and God doesn't take processions from others until they go through the legal process similar to Moses having to wait 40 yrs-while his people suffered in bondage- until the sin of the Ammorites was complete-then God gave the Israelites their land in Cannan.We gave Satan dominion here by following him instead of God-we were his possessions. Christ while in the flesh had to show whom He belonged to. God by following Him or Satan by taking his offer-note that Satan offered Jesus the worldly kingdoms-Jesus didn't deny Satan claim to these kingdoms. A&E were giving the same test and chose to follow Satan.When Christ rejected Satan and passed the test-Satan still had claim to the worldly kingdom but not to God's kingdom. God gave his kingdom unto Christ-u s believers and glory and all things in His kingdom. John 17: I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.

Job was also tested as we will be-and the harder the test the greater the work 1 Pet. 4 :12.

 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:

 

In His everyday life,  Jesus is tempted just as we are.   He can love Mary M too much.  He can get too angry in the Temple.   He can get too impatient with His disciples.   He can decide, in the end, to do His own will and not that of the Father.

 

cd : I see no perceived weakness here. Jesus was not tempted to lusting after Mary-and if sin is not involved them one cannot love another to much John. I do see him getting too angry in the temple-He had the right to cleanse His fathers house and be angry at those thieves for robbing the poor people who came to worship God-I believe God sent him to do just that. I believe he showed great patience with his disciples. But he said he came to do his fathers will and done so. You are mentioned a lot of things Christ could have done but the fact is He done none of those things-proving he did not have that type of nature-but in fact a Divine nature which was His Godly inheritance. 

 

The three  temptations are noteworthy, however,

 

1.    because they are being used by Satan to challenge Jesus as the SON OF GOD.  

 

2.   because Satan is identifiable   (often he is not).

 

3.   because it shows Satan for the befoon he truly is.   Look  -  if angels are only a little higher that we humans, and Satan is a fallen angel  --  what does that  mean in relation to man? 

cd: Even a little higher in Godly terms is quite a lot. One angel can destroy any army on earth and still get home before nightfall. They are far more intelligent than us. I would be careful how you accuse Satan as one will even answer for those accusations. Satan is blinded by pride-mostly due to his processions Ezek:28:13-28

ze 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

Eze 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

Eze 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

Eze 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

Eze 28:17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

Eze 28:18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffic; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

Eze 28:19 All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more.

 

 

  Satan is more often than not, rather stupid.  He is very impatient  -  which means to me that he will eventually leave you along for another victim.  All of his power is fraudulent.  All of his truth is a lie or based on a lie.   And he is easily defeated.   Death is not even his power  --  but the result of a life lived.    Do I believe in a Devil?   Not one who has any effect in my life or upon my life.   Christ did Satan in.  He has bound the strong man and taken the "power of death" form him. 

 

What do you think ??

 

cd: I think you had better be sure your big brother is behind you though living a holy life when you make such statements concerning Satan. Paul fasted and prayed often just to keep his body under subjections due to Satanic influences I Cor 9:27 :But I keep under my body, and bring it into subjection: lest that by any means, when I have preached to others, I myself should be a castaway.

 As concerning binding the strong man-that is taking us from him -He has yet to take the world from him-proof? He had us at one time. As concerning Satan being easily defeated-it took a God to do it. Best draw close to that God-because he loves making Christians cry.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] TT's ??

In a message dated 1/18/2006 3:29:27 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Thanks for your input Dean;

I have no problem with Jesus having a human flesh body... but I have a "huge" insurmountable problem

with the idea that Mary's child, the one called by the angel "the holy pure sinless offspring" born of her

and called the Son of God" (Luke 1:36 Amp) ATST had a "fallen" Adamic nature.  Make no mistake this

is nothing more than speculation by religious men who have no understanding about spiritual realities.

 

Don't mean to butt in, but what about the passage that describes Christ as being "tempted in all things, yet sinless?"  How can a man be tempted, if he has none of the fallen nature within himself to be tempted?  Also, before he began his ministry, Jesus was commanded to go into the wilderness to fast for forty days and nights (the same as with Moses on the mountain of revelation).  Why the need to purify himself, if there was not a fallen nature to purify? 

 

cd: The word tempted also means to test or try/prove-when used by God it is to test-when used by Satan is it an attempt to lead into sin-Tempatation.Christ was tested-proved Himself face to face with Satan-then began His ministry.