Bill says that the incarnate Christ was holy because He was God on
earth.
Judy says He was not God on earth and His holiness came from the fact
that He
had no earthly faither.
JD when are you going to get a hold of yourself
and stop putting words in my mouth?
The prophecy that the "virgin" would bear a child
and his name would be Emmanuel
go together. Why?? If sin is no big
deal and rcc baptism can wash it away in infants
so easily then why did
Fod's Son have to be born of a virgin?
Apparently her "generational curse" theory teaches that this
curse is continued
only through the father.
This is no theory JD; it is spiritual
reality. After all it was BY ONE MAN that sin
entered this world and
death by (or because of) sin.
She ignores Job 25: 4 which says " How then can a man be
just before God?
Or, how can he be clean who is born of woman?"
Do you know of any man who wasn't born of a woman
JD? Job is just stating
the obvious along with the fact that ALL men are
born unclean because of sin.
"Uncleanness" comes via the Mom just as surely as the
father. Houston, we have
a problem !! jd
We sure have and I think you and Houston had
better seek the Lord for some
wisdom. He set the standard. He holds
the man accountable and He kept His
ONLY begotten son from the taint of sin by having
him born of a virgin woman.
Imagine that???
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From: Judy Taylor
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No I most certainly don't Dean; those are
Bill's words and Bill's concepts. Not mine. What I believe
is that
he was not born by procreation
like the rest of us since he had no human father.
Mary may have
contributed an ovum but the male
determines a child's gender and his spiritual inheritance also
comes by
way of the father
(ie the sins of the fathers are visited upon the children) and these are
some of the reasons
why I can not accept the "orthodox" claim that
he was exactly the same as us in every way.
cd: Judy is what Bill say in the below true-do you view
Christ as being made of a special kind of flesh?
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Sent: 1/18/2006 10:25:23 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Jesus
, neither God nor Man
Certainly I think Jesus was born of
God, Dean. And I will be glad to address that aspect of his person.
But before going there I would like to clearly state that you seem
to be making a different argument than Judy's. And if you are,
then my question would not apply in the same way to you as it
does to her. And so, I would like you to be sure you are truly
affirming the same things as she, before you speak on her behalf.
From my understanding of Judy's
position, she denies that Jesus was born a flesh-and-blood
descendant of David through physical birth to Mary. She believes
that God made a special kind of flesh for Jesus and put it in
Mary's womb, and that that flesh was unrelated to fallen
humankind, being only "similar" to that of us. That is, she believes
Jesus' flesh was like Adam's before he fell. Hence because of her
beliefs, Judy cannot affirm the teaching that Jesus is a
physical descendant of Adam, and that he is the
physical Seed of Abraham and the physical Seed of David,
all according to the flesh.
You, on the other hand, write that you
are not denying the biblical teaching that Jesus was the Seed of
David according to the flesh and that he was born of David's
flesh and blood. You appear to be affirming the truth that Jesus'
humanity came from the fruit of David's "genitals"
(Friberg) according to the flesh. In short, you seem to believe
that Jesus really was David's "offspring."
Dean, that is a different position
all-together from Judy's. My question for you is, did you realize
what you were affirming when answering my question?
Bill