On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 15:12:34 +0000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
While you are busy "spiritualizing" the story of Jesus, you overlook (or worse) what Paul is actually saying. You quote Gal 3:29 which says "And if you belong to Christ, THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAM'S OFFSPRING, heirs according to promise" and ignore the words of 3:16 "Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. He does not say "and to seeds" as if referring to many, but rather to ONE, "and to your seed," that is Christ."No big deal JD; I understand that Abraham's seed is Christ.If Jesus Christ is not [actually] a descendant of Abraham, we have no access to the blessings of the Father FOR ALL SPIRITUAL BLESSING ARE IN (eis) CHRIST.You don't get in Christ or spiritual by being a descendant of Abraham .. You get there by faith.By abiding in Him and allowing His Words to abide in you because His Words are spirit and theyare life - the flesh profits nothing....Again, you reference 3:29 and ignore 3:26-27 which speak of our immersion INTO (eis) Christ. We arethe offspring of Abraham ONLY BECAUSE WE ARE IN (eis) CHRIST. It is heretical to argue otherwise.We are Abraham's offspring by faith ....The very foundation of the Christian Blessing in centered in the fact of the lineage of Christ. Our existence as disciples is not juxtaposed to the positioning of the Christ, as you would have us believe (making Christ, in fact, unnecessary). Rather, our relationship with God the Father as adoptive sons is secured and exists IN (eis) Christ. His position, His lineage, His blood-line is, therefore, a critical circumstance in the biblical account. jdMaking Him unnecessary?? I don't know what is going on in your head JD but it definitely has nothing todo with anything I am speaking of.. and a carnal bloodline has nothing to do with anything. The blood ofthe eternal covenant is where it is at.-------------- Original message --------------
From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Bill you have a Greek gospel because your faith rests in Gk words .. I wonder, are all Greeks saved??Jesus Christ is who His Own Word says he is whether or not orthodoxy agrees and whether you see it or not. Right now you are attempting to validate the pronouncements of orthodoxy which is the religion you hold to.The seed to whom the promises were made is SPIRITUAL SEED Bill and the second Adam is spiritual also (see 1 Cor 15:45,46). Please don't try to make it something it is not. Abraham BELIEVED God and it was counted to him for righteousness. His sperma who thought they all had it made in the shade got a rude awakening in John 8:33; Jesus burst their bubble so to speak. The seed of Abraham are the children of faith or "spiritual seed" see also Galatians 3:29. I am not saying that Jesus did not walk around in a flesh body as the gnostics of John's day did - so please do not bring out the old red rebellion flag once more because it is getting quite wearisome....On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 23:15:26 -0700 "Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:"I am the Rhiza ('Root' or 'Life-source') and the Genos (from which we get 'gene' and 'genome,' hence 'Offspring') of David."Indeed, Jesus Christ is fully God and fully man -- he is both the Maker and the receiver of David's "genetic" material. Likewise, "Before Abraham was I AM," and "Now to Abraham and his Seed were the promises made; he does not say, 'And to seeds,' as of many, but as of one, 'And to your Seed,' who is Christ."Bill----- Original Message -----From: TaylorSent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 10:09 PMSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] The spirit of anti-ChristPrecisely!----- Original Message -----From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2006 9:53 PMSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] The spirit of anti-ChristOn Sun, 29 Jan 2006 21:58:42 -0700 "Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:'..I am [the Root and ] the Offspring of David..'
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