From: "Dean Moore" <
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I don't think you are hearing us properly David. WE/I am saying that
Christ did not appear in our heathren state-He appeared in the state we are
after salvation not before salvation. As a born again believer I have flesh
and blood I can choose to sin-but chose not to-I am a spiritual child of
Abraham due to abdoption from the heathen state-I was changed to become
more Christ like. Jesus did not lower himself to that level to become a
heathen.
Exactly ... A good example of his separation from sinners and the fallacy of all
the "buddy/brethren" talk before the cross (other than the disciples that is) can
be seen at the time of the passover in Jerusalem we are told that "many believed
in his name, when they saw the miracles which he did" but get this "But Jesus
DID NOT commit himself unto them, because he knew all men, and needed
not that any should testify of man; for he knew what was in man" (Jn 2:23-25)
But there is also much about His divinity also David.We are not saying
he wasn't flesh and blood- you seem to think He reduced himself down to the
lowest state of sin -where we were. Yet he clearly states that Satan had no
claim on Him.
Sure does; what was in man wasn't in Him that's for sure ie: Jesus tells his
disciples "Hereafter I will not talk much with you 'for the prince of this world
cometh and hath nothing in me" (Jn 14:30). Obviously he had something in
the rest of mankind but NOTHING IN HIM. No Adamic cursed nature to have
to overcome and no 'iniquities' of the fathers. Satan had absolutely no ground
in him.
We don't think you guys are clearly/accuritely describing you side of
the coin. When we looked at your side we find you are mistaken -
Amen; the Romans 5 One for all and all for one formula is also off base. I
don't see Jesus praying for the whole world before he becomes one for all.
Do you Dean?? So it is not as automatic as your doctrine makes it appear.
cd: No -Judy I also do not. I am beginning to suspect that someone has stolen our words so that these guys cannot hear what we are actually saying as they cannot get past the flesh and blood issue and deal with the two different states of man no matter how many times we say we know Christ was flesh and blood as we are. I see the same thing at WCU. Pray for them is all I know to do at this point and keep trying-maybe God will help these poor mislead guys.
