Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation

[Lance Muir]

Correction: "morally righteous" should read "morally SELF righteous". To Dean:If Debbie has nothing to teach you (and David who condemned her) through her rather perceptive post then, you, along with TT's assembled pharisees (Judy, DM, DH) had just better brighten the (street) corner where you are. (interesting to see DM include Mormons alongside Baptists yesterday). ----- Original Message ----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: January 31, 2006 19:30 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation I love it.  We can blasphemy the very nature of Christ but that is fine.  Surely I am not the only one who actually saw the point of Debbie's discussion.   As I remember, she was trying to make a point about the use of the word "sodomite."   And her presentation worked  -  except for one thing;   she forgot she was addressing the morally righteous.     The shock and awe you all experienced with the use of the f'in word is the same dismay many feel when the word sodomite is used.   She brought out that passionate discontent rather brilliantly.     jd   -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Dean Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cd:L The "F" word was enough for me.Debbie has nothing to teach me Lance.       ----- Original Message ----- From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 1/31/2006 3:11:15 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] Fw: Interesting observation   ----- Original Message ----- From: Debbie Sawczak To: 'Lance Muir' Sent: January 31, 2006 13:26 Subject: Interesting observation Somewhat ironically, given Judy's remarks about Roman Catholicism and the orthodox view of Jesus' humanity, here is a quote from Victor's [edited] lecture: Veneration of Mary was another feature of the religion of the common people. As noted already, their predominant image of Jesus was as judge coming to punish the wicked; his saving and intercessory work had receded far into the background. But every human being has an unappeasable hunger for a saviour, a redeemer, an intercessor, and this role became Mary's: she was felt to be gentle and pitying and human, softer and kinder than Jesus. The reformers were to address this matter at length, magnifying our Lord’s humanity especially as our sin-bearer and intercessor. It is when the humanity of Jesus is allowed to recede, so that his effectual sin-bearing oneness with all humankind is lost to sight and his intercession on behalf of his people disappears, that Mary is handed the role of intercessor or co-redemptrix, for someone must be summoned to furnish human solidarity with sinners. Indeed, the heart of Reformation theology is Christology. While the reformers denounced medieval Marianism frontally as idolatry, they did a great deal to dismantle it simply by their understanding of Jesus as the one who not only mediates God to humankind, but savingly represents and therein mediates all humankind to God. D -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.23/243 - Release Date: 1/27/2006