Judy wrote: > Christ is not the literal seed of David's > genitals Bill and by your insistance that > he is you have far more scripture to explain > away than I do.
Actually, Bill does not have to explain away any Scriptures at all. However, you have the problem of Acts 2:30. There are other passages as well that would cause your understanding trouble. Judy wrote: > The reason the Messiah was to be born of the woman > was because she is less responsible than Adam for the > transgression. This is not true. Judy wrote: > She was deceived, Adam was not. He shirked his > responsibility and then chose to go with the woman > rather than take a stand for righteousness. I received a revelation concerning this once. I realize that such is sometimes difficult to hear... God told me it was this way, so you need to accept it. :-) I'm not saying it with that attitude. I'm only testifying to you that such did happen to me. The Lord told me that Eve sinned in the same way as the angels did, and if it were only left there, no human being could be saved because this amounted to what Scripture calls, willful sin. She knew what she was doing. I immediately asked him about the passage that says that the woman was deceived. From my perspective at that time, I thought this passage indicated the opposite of rebellion, that she was kind of tricked like someone stealing candy from a baby. He said that the word "deceived" there did not mean what I thought it meant. It meant that she was taken in by Lucifer's ideology and accepted it. It is called "deception" not because it was not willful rebellion against God, but because the ideology itself is falsehood. We can say that the angels who sinned were deceived by Lucifer, yet we know that their rebellion was willful, and therefore there is no plan of redemption for them. In contrast to Eve, Adam was not deceived. He did not act in rebellion, but out of love and trust toward his wife. The fact that God did indeed consider them one created a unique situation. God could not save one without saving the other. Therefore, because of the man's authority over the woman, and because woman was created for the man, the legality of it all allows the woman to be saved. Much of this is taught in passages like 1 Tim. 2 (esp. v. 15) and 1 Cor. 11 (esp. v. 10), but it is not obvious to everyone who reads it. Judy wrote: > The curse comes by way of the father and > Jesus is the ONLY one begotten this way. A spiritual curse does indeed come down through the father, but the physical effects of the curse come down through both mother and father. We know this from our basic knowledge of biology, DNA, genetic inheritance, meiosis, and ethology. You have your interpretation of why there was a virgin birth, and it is related to a false idea of blood inheritance from some medical doctor you quoted who is all wrong on that. It also is related to your perspective that behavior is completely spiritual, because your view is that the "ghost" operates the physical body. I don't believe that completely. The body is not neutral. It is not just a machine. The body creates emotions, passions, desires, and all manner of things that effect behavior. Behavior comes from both the spirit and the physical body. This is why believers must die daily and keep their bodies in subjection. We have received the Spirit of the Lord that we might do the things of God, but if we live according to the flesh, we will die because it still serves self. Only when our behavior is directed solely by the Spirit do we experience the life of the Spirit. Jesus was born pure in his spirit because his identity was from heaven. However, being born of the woman and being descended from the loins of David and Abraham indicate that his physical body was not that perfect body that Adam had before the fall. Rather, all the genetic mutations that exist in all of our bodies also existed in his. The desires of the flesh also operated in his body. In short, the effect of the curse upon the physical body were transmitted to his body through the DNA of Mary. We call this physical depravity. Physical depravity is not the same as moral depravity (see Charles Finney for details). Jesus was not under moral depravity, but he was under physical depravity. This does not make him unholy. It shows us what a victorious lion of God he really was. It teaches us that he conquered the flesh and that he did not only atone for sins by hanging on a cross for hours. David Miller ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
