Re: [TruthTalk] 'i DON'T UNDERSTAND' -David Miller'

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What makes you think that Jesus was in control of the timing of his own death JD?  Scripture teaches that the times and seasons are in

the hands of the Father.Your scripture reference is ??  And are you saying that the knowledge of the Father is not shared with the Son?  And are you saying that Jesus did not know of the time of His own death or that He had avoided death on an eariler occasion(s) but chose not to avoid death on this final occasion?    Are you now saying that Jesus is the Father?  I am most definitely affirming that the Father and Son are one.  Manipulation is using devious means to get another to do your will without their consent and this is sin - 

Look the word manipulation up, Judy rather than expecting us to by into your personal and biased definition.   JudySpeak is all you have on this one.  Prove me wrong. 

judyt

 

 

 

 

 

 

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From: Judith H Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

What makes you think that Jesus was in control of the timing of his own death JD?  Scripture teaches that the times and seasons are in

the hands of the Father.  Are you now saying that Jesus is the Father?  Manipulation is using devious means to get another to do your

will without their consent and this is sin -  judyt

 

On Thu, 02 Feb 2006 07:17:45 +0000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 

If you mean to imply that "deception" is always sinfully wrong,  then manipulation is not deception.   You use manipulation often.  "We're waiting, Bill !!  Where is your anser Bill?  Or , is this just another example of you taking your ball (gosh, I hope this is not another reference to King Dav  ......  oh, never mind) and run home."   That is manipulation, Judy.  Jesus was in control of the timing of His death  -   a form of manipulation.   Like I said  -  you have no scripture on this  -  and sure enough,  you don't. 

 

jd

 

From: Judith H Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Manipulation is sin JD.  It is deception, working another person for your own ends.

What's more it is not God's way.  He gives his creation choices - always.  It is the adversary who is the

anger and control freak.  You choose each day who you will serve.  judyt

 

On Wed, 01 Feb 2006 17:59:55 +0000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

And are you aware that this is not the only reason for Bill's passion. ?  It is not sin to oppose a false doctrine.   In fact, just the opposite is true.  

 

Nothing innately sinful about manipulation, Judy.   You have no scripture on this and will never have.    The fact is this  -  Jesus used manipulation as he opposed the Pharisees of the day.  

 

jd

 

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Bill are you aware that manipulation is sin?  Backing a person into a corner with a "repent or fight" attitude has never been God's modus operandi although I do see it in the Crusades and Islam.  You are wrong!  My prayer for you is that you will eventually receive understanding from God, lay down your religious idols and find freedom in Christ.  judyt