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Sent: February 03, 2006 15:59
Subject: Fw: [TruthTalk] 'i DON'T
UNDERSTAND' -David Miller'
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Sent: February 03, 2006 15:58
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] 'i DON'T UNDERSTAND' -David
Miller'
Wow. This was great. Amen and amen.
D
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Sent: February 03, 2006 08:36
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 'i DON'T UNDERSTAND' -David
Miller'
In
physics,
duality is present when two different
models actually turn out to be equivalent.
The term
dualism can refer to a variety of doctrines,
mainly in
theology and
philosophy, each involving
the purported existence of two substances ( often opposites) of some kind.
These opposites can be, among other things, opposing forces, or opposing
ontological or epistemic categories.
Bill has been the one who has said the most concerning dualism
, to my memory. And I have come to accept much of what has been
written. In counseling, the habit of sin (activity) is
chemically enhanced in the brain. Your long term preformance
becomes blueprinted, if you will , into your psyche. That is why an
action or activity can become addictive -- actually it is
why patteren activity WILL become "addictive."
I was quite the dualist before TT and Bill Taylor. I am not one
now. the "old man" of the bible is, to me, those thing I do
or think that are harmful to me (the bible being an excellent guide in this
regard, if not the final word.) But my life is not defined by these
falings. The same principles of the pysche work in regard to repeated
"good" activity. What we call "addiction" (IMO) is the attachment
of whatever repeated activity to my personhood via this chemical
process. It is the oneness of my person that speaks (for me)
against the idea of dualism.
The old man is alway there - he is that character we do not
wish to be - for whatever reason. Paul tells us in
Romans 6:11 to CONSIDER yourselves to be dead to sin but
alive in Christ. If the old man were actually dead
-- as in dead and gone -- I would not have to consider
anything. I would be alive in Christ with no choices to
make. Although I look forward to the freedom of not having to make
choices anymore, such is not the case now. Eph 4 :20-24
reminds us of the continuing presence of the old man along with the
new. I am what I have done coupled with what God sees me to be in
Christ. The result is my person. And not every influence in my
life is either "good" or "bad" in a moral sense. In addition to these,
there is my level of intelligence, the intensity of my passions,
my ability to overcome fear ---------- and so I say "what
dualism?!!"&n bsp; I am not just good and bad. When it comes
to matters of personhood, I am not a dualist. I am not the combination of
only two natures. The probelm of sin is huge and complicated.
And so it is that God contributes much more than His
Spirit. Heroin addicts have a terrible history of recovery
(less than 3%) Is the addict going to hell because his pysche
is locked into that which cannot be overcome (at least for the time
being)? Well, when we cannot access the Spirit's influence,
grace abounds and the blessing of the cross reveals itself --
saving man when he does not deserve to be saved. In Hebrews we are told
that judgment day will include a consideration of the "intentions of the
heart." And what is the greater struggle? To be clean and
sober, free from addiction and a child of God or to be addicted beyond
control, facing the Devil's work as he tries to persuade you to give up
-- using your failur es to convince you that you are lost and without
hope? Which is the greater battle? And who deserve the "credit"
for trying? He who is victor or he who will not let go of the hope
within in spite of his failings -- believing that God is bigger
than all that tries to bring him down. Both are noteworthy, of course,
but the man of problems is not to be denied. Chrsit came not for the
righteous but to seek and save the lost.
It is before his master that he stands or falls and he
will be
made to stand !!!
jd
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From: "Lance Muir"
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It may be helpful to distinguish between
duality and dualism.
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Sent: February 02, 2006 21:23
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 'i DON'T
UNDERSTAND' -David Miller'
It may be "dualism," but it is not symetrical, the
evil having equal power and equal authority to that of the good. The flesh
of Christ began an embryo and matured from there, the whole time fully
united to the one who spoke the universe into existence and held it
together by the power of his will. In other words, the relationship
between God and man in the person of Jesus Christ was asymetrical, the
will of God constantly converting the will of man.
By the way, "dualism" in itself is not a bad word. Like
so many other things, it is only certain types of dualism which are
problematic.
Bill
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Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006
4:04 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] 'i DON'T
UNDERSTAND' -David Miller'
Wholly good and ATST wholly evil is dualism JD - judyt
And now that Christ has reconciled all things unto Himself
-- what do we now suppose?? Further, Gal
3:26-27 speaks of us being into Christ. Jesus speaks of
You in me, I in you and they in us. Kiss off
dualism.
jd
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..same
with male & female--'made He them' says
Moses
myth
(acc to Moses, God & Man are originally family, not
categorically polar opposites)
wholly God and wholly man is a dualis[m]
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