What about "My people perish for lack of knowledge?" JD
Their sin was one of ignorance but they perished nonetheless; this is why
young
Christians need to be instructed. Sin brings a curse and death
regardless. You need to
revise your modus operandi. judyt
On Thu, 02 Feb 2006 22:31:59 +0000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
See comments below----- Original Message -----Sent: 2/2/2006 12:31:10 PMSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] Was Jesus of God's Nature?Heathens also buy houses and drive cars. If you do not have a sinful nature, Dean, then you do not need any outside help ........... as in the Spirit. And if you reject the Spirit's influence (whether intentionally or not) what happens? You sin again.--------------------------------------------------cd: The help we need isn't "outside help" it is inside help from the Holy Ghost John.Ourside our personal efforts, bro. Of course it is inside help.If I reject the influence (convictions) of the Spirit ,God's word ,and my knowledge of right and wrong-I will most definitely sin again. Sin is intentional-if the act is unintentional there is no sin involved-similar to a young Christian who hasn't been fully instructed-God looks at the intent. The old saying that "The road to hell is paved by good intentions" is wrong. I think I read some of this somewhere !?? Aaaahhhh -- od yeah ! In my comments above !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1By the way, sin under the Old Law was not just intentional sin. Check out all of the sacrifices. At least one is for unknowing sin. jd-------------------------------So that old man is still there - per Eph 4:20-24.----------------------------------------cd: Yes he is desiring to come back into our hearts.He must be watched and guarded against daily but in a true christian-He is broken. The more one grows in holiness the weaker he becomes-the Bible refers to him as the flesh. He is in our lives -- he is desiring to destroy us..... but he is decreasing. BUT , he is still there. So we agree.-------------------------------------Also, if Romans 3:23 tells us that we are always short of the glory of God -- this side of the "next Life." In that phrase is the old nature. God has no choice when it comes to sin. We [always] do -- in this life.---------------------------------------------------------------cd: Romans 3:23 is speaking of the old man-the past sins-the new man can choose not to sin. Look at Romans 3: 25 Actually, 3:23 talks about sin in the past tense and "falling short of the glory" in the present and current (ongoing) tense. Falling short of the glory is what is going on right now. God does not count this against us because He sees us and existing within Christ. V 25 does not alter this situation. Nothing does. That is why we have a perpetual need for Jesus.Wesley says this -- All the sins antecedent to their believing. I do not believe this. It limits the notion that Christ dies once and for all time and flies in the face of the confidence we Christians have concerning God's willingness to finish the work He has begun in us.jdRom 3:25
Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;J.Wesley wrote:
Rom 3:25
- Whom God hath set forth - Before angels and men. A propitiation - To appease an offended God. But if, as some teach, God never was offended, there was no need of this propitiation. And, if so, Christ died in vain. To declare his righteousness - To demonstrate not only his clemency, but his justice; even that vindictive justice whose essential character and principal office is, to punish sin. By the remission of past sins - All the sins antecedent to their believing.jd
