Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding

[David Miller]

The concept of sin can get very complicated, hence the reason for the law.  However, compared to the infinite God and the mystery of God in the flesh, it is child's play.  God began revealing himself with the law and sin for good reason.  It provides the foundation for understanding heavenly things.   The bottom line is that even if you claim to understand all the mystery of Christ, if you testify that you are still addicted to sin, then Christ has profited you nothing.  Salvation does not come through understanding Christ.  Salvation comes from a relationship with the Spirit of Jesus Christ.  Our understanding of him will follow naturally from that.   David Miller. ----- Original Message ----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding Perhaps Lance has a good point, David.  Consider the biblical record.  Does it begin with Christ or sin?   And sin, defined and demonstrated , displays what volume of content compared to  that of "Christ?"  Surely the answer is "much more!"   Anyway,  I am not sure how we go about discussing one without the other.     If you think "sin" is an easily understood concept, read  "The Many Faces of Evil"  by Feinberg or any number of books discussing this subject.   Extremely complicated.    jd   -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > ONE WAY of thinking about this: Who He is takes priority over and, is > determinative of, all other considerations. Is it possible, David, that you > have it ...backwards? > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: February 15, 2006 14:46 > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding > > > > John, which is easier to comprehend? Sin or Christ? > > > > Jesus Christ is far beyond the understanding of any one person. I'm not > > sure anyone on earth fully understands Jesus Christ. The subject of sin, > > however, is much more basic and easy to understand. Furthermore, it is > > the > > only criteria of God's judgment. When we al l stand before Jesus Christ, > > the > > Scriptures teach that we will give account to him for the deeds that we > > have > > done. We will not take a test on Christology (how well we developed our > > understanding of Christ). Our moral behavior is much more important than > > our philosophy of the nature of Christ. > > > > David Miller. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org ; TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > > Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 11:05 AM > > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding > > > > As for Christology, that does matter, but not nearly so much as sin. > > Believers who testify that they are addicted to sin and so is everybody > > else > > is of much more serious concern than those whose Christology seems > > defective. DM > > > > I find this humorously off course. To put anything ahead of > > Christological > > didache is a definite predictor of coming and pronounced error. If your > > Christology is wrong or false, your view of sin will mirror that > > circumstance. > > David's addiction is both evident and frequesntly expressed. Alas, we > > cannot escape our own person. My addiction is not apparent to anyone but > > myself and God. Perhaps this means that I am closer to full victory than > > David !! What think ye? > > > > jd > > > > > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > > From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > >> Nobody who has ever known me in person has called me pompous, but I have > >> been accused of such from my writing. I think the apostle Paul had a > >> similar problem (2 Cor. 10:10) so I'm not going to worry abo ut it too > >> much. > >> > >> For what it's worth, I do not lay claim to 'knowing' in a special way > >> beyond > >> that of most, IF by most you mean other believers. I do lay claim to > >> 'knowing' in a special way that is beyond that of the world. It is called > >> the Holy Spirit. Do you have a problem with this? > >> > >> As for Christology, that does matter, but not nearly so much as sin. > >> Believers who testify that they are addicted to sin and so is everybody > >> else > >> is of much more serious concern than those whose Christology seems > >> defective. > >> > >> David Mil ler. > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: Lance Muir > >> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > >> Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 7:19 AM > >> Subje ct: Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding > >> > >> Anyone here watch hockey? Legitmate body checks are permissible. TT's a > >> little like hockey. The serious issue at hand re: 'delusion' is not > >> necessarily rooted in wrong doctrine, IMO. However, few would disagree > >> that > >> misrepresenting 'who Jesus is' (Christology) matters. Pomposity when > >> speaking also matters. DM, IMO, is pompous in a quiet, literate fashion. > >> DM > >> also lays claim to 'knowing' in a special way beyong that of most. CD > >> has, > >> of late, been adopting such an approach. Judy also, along with DM, lays > >> claim to 'inspired' understanding of the Scriptures. Within such an > >> engagement as this all we have is 'body checking' and, IMO, that ought > >> not > >> be the primary focus. > >> > >> ----- Original Me ssag e ----- > >> From: Dean Moore > >> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > >> Sent: February 15, 2006 07:08 > >> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: > >> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > >> Sent: 2/14/2006 6:02:49 PM > >> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding > >> > >> > >> Aahhh ----------- from you two, mostly from Judy. > >> cd: If it is true it is only so under the delusion the worlds suffers > >> from-but God does allow that delusion for a reason John. I have no doubt > >> that you speak the truth as you see it-but this is much different from > >> the > >> one that exists. > >> > >> -------------- Orig inal message -------------- > >> From: "Dean Moore" > >> > >> cd: I am not sure where you got this twisted version of our statements > >> that > >> have been taken out of context- but yo u are incorrect.By the way who is > >> the > >> BSF? > >> > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: > >> To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org;TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org > >> Sent: 2/14/2006 1:25:44 PM > >> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The door to understanding > >> > >> > >> Let's talk "cult," shall we? I am taking this list to the local BSF. > >> Wonder what they will say !! It will describe a person I am dealing with > >> who believes the following: > >> > >> 1. Adam and Eve were spirit beings before the fall -- their flesh being > >> changed after wards. > >> > >> 2. Christ is not the "eternal " Son of God. > >> > >> 3. Christ was of human flesh for only 3 1/2 years. > >> > >> 4. Christ was not the physical descendent of David - only in some > >> spiritual sense. > >> > >> 5. Christ was not "God on earth" during His ministry. > >> > >> 6. The "Trinity" is false doctrine. > >> > >> 7. God is male and has a penis. > >> > >> 8. God illuminates His disciples to the extent that discussion and books > >> are not necessary. Because of this "illumination," the understanding of > >> acripture can be "received" from the Spirit without fear of being wrong. > >> Those who have this Spirit cannot be mistaken when it comes to the Bible > >> and > >> what it means to say. And those who disagree with this are false teachers > &g t;> and need to be opposed. > >> > >> 9. The old law is binding and continues to be something we must obey. > >> > >> > >> I would add to this list -- but I am sure this will be sufficent . > >> Dean, you and Judy are the very definition of "cult!!" but nice try. And > >> what do you want to bet that BSF will not agree? > >> > >> By the way - you are the one who has set the tone for this response. > >> This is the fruit of your ministry. Accusing me of preaching the occult > >> is > >> not going to fly. > >> > >> jd > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> l message -------------- > >> From: Judy Taylor > >> > >> .Amen Dea n, > >> JD I figure you were thinking of Proverbs 11:14b when you wrote what you > >> say > >> below ie: "in the multitude of > >> counsellors there is safety" However the "counsellors" referred to in > >> Proverbs ARE those of God's Word or > >> the Biblical text as you call it. They all say the same thing by the same > >> Spirit and this is the counsel in which > >> we find safety. Groupthink?? Anathema!! > >> > >> On Tue, 14 Feb 2006 07:02:15 -0500 "Dean Moore" > >> writes: > >> cd: A very good definition of the birth of a cult John. No one truth to > >> live > >> by but group thinking-No standards to point our error if the group agrees > >> with the present circumstance-I can see why your group don't like > >> preaching > >> such as David does-the one is dominated by the many as his voice is lost > >& gt; in > >> the power of the mass. > >> > >> JD writes: > >> In the biblical concept of the church > >> I see an avenue for continuing revelation, and if not revelation, > >> certainly interpretation or understanding. If you will, it is in the > >> counsel of many that our understanding of the biblical text is expanded > >> and/or confirmed. How important, it is, then, that the church continue > >> to meet in forums such as this -- whether virtual or physical. A > >> community of Being reveals Himself to a community of Believers and it is > >> out > >> of this communal reality that our understanding of God and His t houghts > >> is > >> borne. > >> > >> jd > >> > >> ---------- > >> "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may > >> know how > >> you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org > >> > >> If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a > >> friend > >> who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] and > >> he will be subscribed. > > > > ---------- > > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may > > know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) > > http://www.InnGlory.org > > > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. 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