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Sent: 2/20/2006 1:09:41 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Greek Present Indicative
"God's commandments":
"Love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and
with all your strength...the LORD loved you and ..and redeemed you"
Deuteronomy 6,7 NIV
cd: Gary are you suggesting those of OT did not have to keep the commandments?You are using an OT verse to make you point for the Moral Law as being legalistic. Yet we are to keep the same Love of God and Love of neighbor in NT which if one is doing this one is keeping the commandments. eg. Do not bow down and worship idols (love of God). Do not covet thy neighbors house,wife...etc (Love thy neighbor). The commandments are telling how to love God and neighbor by not transgressing against them.
Here is another OT verse that speaks of Transgressions by a Jew who also thought they had it made for simply being children of Abraham-I suspect that one day you will be astonished too.
Ezr 9:4 Then were assembled unto me every one that trembled at the words of the God of Israel, because of the transgression of those that had been carried away; and I sat astonished until the evening sacrifice.
Here is a new testament teaching on transgression Gary: Tell me how much difference do you really notice between the OT and NT concerning transgressions?
Heb 2:1-3 Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let them slip. For if the word spoken by angels was steadfast, and every transgression and disobedience received a just recompense of reward; How shall we escape, if we neglect so great salvation; which at the first began to be spoken by the Lord, and was confirmed unto us by them that heard him;
This is by J.Wesley concerning Transgressions:
Rom 5:14 - Death reigned - And how vast is his kingdom! Scarce can we find any king who has as many subjects, as are the kings whom he hath conquered. Even over them that had not sinned after the likeness of Adam's transgression - Even over infants who had never sinned, as Adam did, in their own persons; and over others who had not, like him, sinned against an express law. Who is the figure of him that was to come - Each of them being a public person, and a federal head of mankind. The one, the fountain of sin and death to mankind by his offence; the other, of righteousness and life by his free gift. Thus far the apostle shows the agreement between the first and second Adam: afterward he shows the differences between them. The agreement may be summed up thus: As by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; so by one man righteousness entered into the world, and life by righteousness. As death passed upon all men, in that all had sinned; so life passed upon all men,
(who are in the second Adam by faith,) in that all are justified. And as death through the sin of the first Adam reigned even over them who had not sinned after the likeness of Adam's transgression; so through the righteousness of Christ, even those who have not obeyed, after the likeness of his obedience, shall reign in life. We may add, As the sin of Adam, without the sins which we afterwards committed, brought us death ; so the righteousness of Christ, without the good works which we afterwards perform, brings us life: although still every good, as well as evil, work, will receive its due reward.
Gary here is what transgression mean according to the New Testament: Why are you teaching contrary to the Bible?
1Jo 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Which law? The moral law of course Gary.
..the obedience in love of the Lamb, the saintly faithfulness adequate in itself for the Lord God himself, below, is lost on *the legalist's (lack of) obedience to the letter of the law, whose cursory categories of law & love, while mating in the motion of the mind, are mostly mutually exclusive, dualized, & dialectical at at best*
..A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: "If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, he, too, will drink of the wine of God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. He will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever. There is no rest day or night for those who worship the beast and his image, or for anyone who receives the mark of his name." This calls for patient endurance on the part of the saints who obey God's commandments and remain faithful to Jesus.
Revelation 14, NIV
..supplanting the NT with doctrinal dualism administrated through force
apparently among those completely misunderstandg the NT
On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:30:15 -0500 "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
I am among those who *keep the commandments of Jesus and walk in love*.
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