Why would somone who believes that to be holy is to be "in eis" and what's more that the whole world
is already "in eis" ask such a question Lance?
 
On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 13:42:06 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
What I'm saying Judy in other words than those spoken is: Do you, DMand CD do anything on a given day that is 'unholy'?
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Sent: February 20, 2006 12:55
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Holiness

In your opinion Lance?
 
On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 12:50:53 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Judy:I'm genuinely sorry but, as is so often the case when I engage you in conversation, I believe that we are having two quite different conversations containing differrent meanings. Please know that I don't have any difficulty in Scripture's admonition to 'be holy'. What I do have difficulty in understanding from DM, JT and CD has to do with the presence of the absence of holiness.
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Sent: February 20, 2006 12:02
Subject: [TruthTalk] Holiness

 
Same as what Barna has learned - maybe you should buy and stock his book Lance...
 

Reflections on Holiness

The new survey findings, when combined with existing knowledge about the state of faith in America, caused the survey’s director, George Barna, to suggest that churches need to take this body of information seriously.

“Realize that the results portray a body of Christians who attend church and read the Bible, but do not understand the concept or significance of holiness, do not personally desire to be holy, and therefore do little, if anything to pursue it. However, the data identify a remnant that understands holiness, wants to live a holy life, and is engaged in its pursuit. The challenge to the nation’s Christian ministries is to foster a genuine hunger for holiness among the masses who claim they love God but who are ignorant about biblical teachings regarding holiness.”

 
From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Judy:Let me offer my reading of your 'redness' in 2 parts:
 
1.How many? Me and, everyone with whom I speak as believer to believer.
 
2.Achieve? It all depends upon that which you mean by 'holiness' which is the thrust of this whole conversation.
 
thanks for your input,
 
Lance
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Sent: February 20, 2006 11:18
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Greek Present Indicative

Lance the following may be of help you because this is basically the
issue you and David are dealing with. He believes it is possible.
You do not  judyt
 
The Barna Update: February 20, 2006
 
“Be holy because I am holy” are God’s words to His people. But
how many Christians believe that God has called them to be holy –
or that achieving holiness is even possible?
How many know
someone they consider to be holy? What do they understand
holiness to mean? Our newest survey examines Americans’ views of
holiness and reflects on the implications of these perspectives
for individual spirituality and the health of the Church. To read
this free report, click on the link below or visit our website at
www.barna.org.
 
On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:11:40 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Obvious to you David, may not be obvious to everyone. I'm sure that
> you've
> not failed to note my own 'cranial density' on more than a few
> occasions. I
> trust that it is obvious to you, et al, that I'm attempting to
> obtain
> scripture/statements from those I've taken to referencing as 'the
> sinless
> ones' in order that I may move on to other things.
>
> Those who do not sin = believers?
> Those who sin = non-believers?
>
> It was your employment of the word 'addiction' that caught my
> attention,
> David.
>
>
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> From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org>
> Sent: February 20, 2006 10:51
> Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Greek Present Indicative
>
>
> > Lance wrote:
> >> David:Kindly assist me as to any distinction that
> >> might exist between:
> >> 1. Those who are born of God do not sin. &
> >> 2. those who ...continue in their ADDICTION to sin.
> >
> > I'm not sure what you are looking for here, Lance.  The
> distinction seems
> > rather obvious.  Those born of God do not sin while those addicted
> to sin
> > do.  There is a commonality between the two people:  they both
> have a
> > flesh
> > which is a source of temptation.  The difference is that one
> follows the
> > Spirit and therefore fulfills the law of love, while the other
> continues
> > to
> > yield to his carnal desires.
> >
> > Lance wrote:
> >> David:Kindly expand upon 'the commandments of Jesus'
> >
> > All the commandments are summed up in the commandments to love God
> and
> > love
> > your neighbor.  There are many other commandments also, but they
> are
> > summed
> > up in these two.
> >
> > Some passages for your consideration, illustrating some details
> about how
> > to
> > love God and love your neighbor:
> >
> > Luke 18:18-22
> > (18) And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what
> shall I do
> > to
> > inherit eternal life?
> > (19) And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is
> good, save
> > one, that is, God.
> > (20) Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not
> kill,
> > Do
> > not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy
> mother.
> > (21) And he said, All these have I kept from my youth up.
> > (22) Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet
> lackest thou
> > one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor,
> and thou
> > shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.
> >
> > 1 Thessalonians 4:2-14
> > (2) For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus.
> > (3) For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye
> should
> > abstain from fornication:
> > (4) That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel
> in
> > sanctification and honour;
> > (5) Not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which
> know not
> > God:
> > (6) That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter:
> because
> > that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have
> forewarned you
> > and
> > testified.
> > (7) For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto
> holiness.
> > (8) He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who
> hath also
> > given unto us his holy Spirit.
> > (9) But as touching brotherly love ye need not that I write unto
> you: for
> > ye
> > yourselves are taught of God to love one another.
> > (10) And indeed ye do it toward all the brethren which are in all
>
> > Macedonia:
> > but we beseech you, brethren, that ye increase more and more;
> > (11) And that ye study to be quiet, and to do your own business,
> and to
> > work
> > with your own hands, as we commanded you;
> > (12) That ye may walk honestly toward them that are without, and
> that ye
> > may
> > have lack of nothing.
> > (13) But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning
> them
> > which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no
> hope.
> > (14) For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so
> them also
> > which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
> >
> > David Miller.
> >
> > ----------
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