Lance quotes Debbie:
> How can we deny that we share in
> this corporate responsibility, and does
> that not also count as sin?

She makes a good point here.

I think of Daniel 9 when I read this.  Daniel's prayer shows him confessing 
his sins and the sins of his people (Dan. 9:20).  Moses too found himself 
accepting the responsibility for what the people did.  This is the place of 
the intercessor, and prophets often find themselves in this position of 
confessing the sins of society and treating them as his own.  However, when 
we look at this attitude, do we say, "ah-ha! Daniel had the sins of his 
society upon him."  Do we impute guilt and iniquity upon Daniel?  No, I 
certainly do not see it that way.  I see God loving Daniel all the more 
because he put himself in the position of interceding.  When Moses found 
himself in a similar situation, although he had the same attitude, the Lord 
desired to wipe out Israel and keep Moses.  Such indicates that while Moses 
placed himself with the people and complicit in a way with their sins, the 
Lord did not.  Of course, confession of sin and repentance puts us in this 
position that God forgives and perceives we no longer will walk in that sin. 
Therefore, the intercessor who confesses corporate sin, the sin of society, 
he is expressing a heart that he and others in society are recognizing their 
error and the outlook is not one of being in a perpetual state of sin, but 
rather of leaving that sin behind and walking in the kind of righteousness 
that God expects.

Another thought along these lines is the consideration of Christ becoming 
sin for us.  Do we say, "see, even Jesus had sin because of society, so 
nobody can be without sin"?  Do we condemn Jesus for taking upon himself the 
sins of the whole world?  Not at all.  Rather, we commend him for taking 
such upon himself, just as we commend Daniel for confessing the sins of his 
people.

Jesus Christ truly is our example in what we mean when we speak about being 
free of sin.  Do we mean that we no longer have a sinful nature within our 
bodies that might tempt us to sin?  No.  Jesus had that.  Do we mean that we 
do not share any part of societal sin, corporate sins?  No, Jesus was in 
this position as well.  Surely we are just as complicit in those sins as 
Jesus was.  What we mean is that just as Jesus did not commit sin, neither 
do we, because we have received his Spirit.  It is the gift of God, not 
something we do in our own effort.  We do not TRY to do what is right. 
Rather, we do what is right because of the Spirit which he has given us 
which leads us in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.  For us to 
claim that we will always sin, or that there will be some point in the 
future when we are going to sin is to express doubt in the promises of God. 
Just as we do not doubt that we will be resurrected and receive eternal 
life, we should not doubt that the Lord will keep us safe and give us a way 
of escape for every temptation that comes our way.

David Miller. 

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