Thanks for this, Judy.  Yes, Calvin was a Roman Catholic as a child, though 
not an ardent one.  If one reads his Institutes of the Christian Religion, 
which he published at the age of 26, his disdain for Roman Catholicism is 
apparent whereas his love and adherence for the authority of the church is 
strong.  Calvin did not believe anyone should have anything to do with the 
Roman Catholic Church.  He strongly argued for others to leave the RCC.  He 
was never excommunicated from it because he was never really part of it, 
though as you point out, he had connections to it in his youth before his 
conversion.

David Miller.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Judy Taylor
To: [email protected]
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 11:04 AM
Subject: [TruthTalk] Continuing repentance

From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fw: Continuing repentanceJudy wrote:
> Both Luther and Calvin were Priests of the RCC

Actually, Luther was a priest, but Calvin was not.  Calvin was a lawyer.  If
memory serves me correctly, Calvin was never even a member of the RCC.

According to David Hunt's book "What Love is This" pp37 Calvin was born
to a devoutly religious Roman Catholic family or prominence in an 
ecclesiastical
town dominated by the local bishop and his assisting priests. As secretary 
and
legal advisor to the bishop, Calvin's father Gerald, was an inside 
participant in a
corrupt religiously based political system.... In a bit of nepotism young 
Calvin was
put on the Church payroll at the age of 12, remaining on it for thirteen 
years until
one year after his conversion to Luther's Protestantism" (so I am wrong 
about the
Priest part: jt)  Hunt goes on to report that "quite unexpectedly in 1528 
Calvin's
father Gerald fell into disfavor with the bishop and was excommunicated from 
the
RCC. Shortly thereafter, Calvin's brother, a priest, was also excommunicated 
on
the grounds of heresy.  As a result of the sudden change in circumstances 
Gerald
ordered Calvin whom he had previously expected to enter the priesthood, to
Orleans for the study of law.  Calvin later explained, "My father had 
intended me for
theology from my childhood. But when he reflected that the career of the law 
proved
everywhere very lucrative for its practitioners, the prospect suddenly made 
him
change his mind"

When Calvin referred to the church generically, it was not the same thing 
that
Luther referred to as the church.  Luther attempted to reform the RCC, but
Calvin never did.

Judy wrote to Debbie:
> why would you think there was no Mardi Gras
> mentality back then such as we see in New
> Orleans and other places today??

Excellent point, Judy!  This is exactly the way I see it.  Very good
analogy.

David Miller

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