FYI: Izzy, Judy, Kevin & Dean.
THANKS TO THE BISHOP FOR THIS FINE WORK!
So what does this prove other than that Bill
believes the scriptures to be full of metaphors? Even Izzy says here that
they did not exhaust the subject. He just
gives up when he has said his piece and if you make him made he
leaves
And a rather good discussion (Bill was in on this one) back in
July of last year.
This is Bill sometime around the end of July of 05
Okay, I will address your
question and then try to summarize my position. I chose not to answer your
question for the following reason: implicit in your wording is the assumption that we can separate the spirit aspect of
personhood from the other aspects, the whole
of which integrates to form what we call "persons," and that we can then
address that aspect in abstention of the others. I do not accept that
premise as it relates to our discussion, and therefore could not answer your
question in the form it was
structured.
In other words, I
stumped you, huh? J
I'd say so Iz,
what is Bill going to do with 1 Thess 5:23
shouldn't Paul have written "may your whole person be preserved blameless?" Does he just separate them for no
reason at all since according to Bill they can not be
separated?
When the biblical authors speak to
living subjects of their present or prior state of death, they are speaking metaphorically of their entire person; e.g., when Paul writes that his
readers had been dead in trespasses and sin, he is speaking of their entire
state of being and not just about their spiritual condition. The spirit aspect
of their personhood was no more dead and no more alive than the rest of their
being.
So you think a person
cannot be spiritually dead until they are physically dead? If a person is
physically alive, he is also spiritually alive???
He is speaking metaphorically about the hopelessness and
helplessness of their entire former existence in the depravity of their
fallen state. Implicit in his use of the term "dead" is the conveyance that
they could do nothing of themselves to remedy the fact that they were doomed
in that former state.
Calvinism - and the T
of the TULIP
I hope this will
satisfy your request and trust that we have pretty much exhausted the need to
continue this discussion.
No, not
really, but I think you must be tuckered out, Bill. I think if I keep
pointing out the holes in your theory, so to speak, you might get either
really angry or have to give up and agree with me once in a while.
J
Thank you for your patience and
the charity with which you conducted yourself. It is a pleasure to converse
with you when we are not nipping at each others heels. God bless
you,
Absolutely
likewise, Bill, and thanks, as it was enjoyable.
izzy
Bill
