You quote scripture that appeals to your
bias and conveniently leave off those passages that
demand a broader opinion of sin and sinning than the one you
insist upon. And there is a host of scripture , not to mention
the personal testimonies of lives lived (even here on TT) and the "unrepented" sins of so many in the
scripture .. men of faith such as Noah,
Abraham, Isass, Samson, Peter and Paul. You ignore
the fact that a carnal believer is a "babe in
Christ " (and, hence, alive in Christ) or that the old man is still present as the new man
increases (Eph 4:20-24) or that we all are falling
short of the glory of God or that Christ
died for us while we were yet sinners -- a
statement that enhances the teaching that Christ did not
come for the "righteous."
What do we have above JD, six excuses? To
begin with there is no such thing as a "carnal believer" that
is
the construct of doctrines that do not
conform ppl to godliness and holiness. Why did Paul turn that man
in
Corinth over to the devil for the destruction
of the flesh? After all he was probably just a baby believer ... The
flesh is to be reckoned dead and there are/were
no righteous for Christ to come for so that is a moot
point.
You ignore your own rebellion (as per the Adamic reality) and
preach a gospel devoid of hope for those who are lost. You have
nothing to say to the addicted and that has been made clear time and time
again , here on TT.
I deal with my own Adamic reality daily JD. I
hate ALL sin and this includes me. Jesus has a lot to say to
the
addicted and he is their ONLY
hope even though AA may buy them a brief stay of
execution.
Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? When was
the last time someone confused your teaching with that
questioning? I know the answer . Never !! And
when was the last time someone asked me that question, in one way or the
other? It happens often --
I have asked you this question in the past JD,
but you don't receive it in the same way because of your
bias.
which tells me that I am on the same page as Paul. They
confused his doctrine of sin and grace with license.
The doctrine of sin and grace you promote is
all yours JD, please don't put it off on Paul because you are
most definitely not on his page. He wrote Eph 2:1-6 and the
sin is always past tense - they WERE children of
wrath who walked in the lust of the flesh
fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind (just like addicts
do)
That never happens with your teaching, Judy . And
why? Because your teaching is nothing like Paul's
!!!
Think about it...If we are not fighting the same battles as Paul,
for example, we are not teaching the same things
as Paul.
Paul is teaching the same thing as Jesus and
the apostle Peter; he does not have a new message JD.
It is your message that is the aberration, sin
is an enemy that should not be tolerated in any form or
fashion.
From:
Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Note: Free people are not in bondage; those
walking in the victory of Calvary are not in bondage
It is those who have been overcome (and not
by Christ) who have been brought into bondage.
All very tricky and very twisted JD -
this is not the faith ONCE DELIVERED TO THE
SAINTS.
However, Jesus says "Whoever commits sin is
the servant of sin and the servant abideth not in the
house for ever
but the son abideth ever. If the son
therefore SHALL MAKE YOU FREE, ye shall be free indeed"
(John 8:34,35)
Jesus told those he ministered to "Go and
sin no more lest a worse thing come upon
you"
Peter said: "For whom a man is
overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage" (2 Peter
2:19)
Believers in bondage to sin
Married Bachelors
Square circles KD
Lk 18:27 -- what is impossible for man is possible with
God.
Mk 9:23 -- all things are possible with
God.
Now that I have my proof-texting urge nurtured, let me say
this ---- an addicted
believer is not in bondage to sin !!! What is the
telltale mark of bondage if it is not death.........and death has been
swallowed up in victory. What Satan hopes to accomplish with
addiction -- death -- has been
replaced with the promise of life. The glory of the cross is
the fact that in Christ we have been reconciled to God (Col
1:19-23). There is no biblical reason for us to believe or
teach that we are fully free from the affects of sin the moment we are
converted and have received the Spirit. And we know this to
be true because sanctification is a process (the process of
maturing in Christ). The Hebrews writer puts it this
way, "For both He who sanctifies and those who are being
sanctified are all of one, for which reason He is not ashamed to call
them brethren" ( Heb 2:11).
Shame is a reasonable consideration, in this passage, because
it speaks of the Christ (sinless as He stands before us) and the
brethren, who are only in the process of BEING sanctified (and are
, therefore , not yet perfected). But He is not ashamed of
the relationship He has with those who are not yet as He is.
The cross, presenting that sacrifice delivered once and for
all time, gives the addicted believer all the time in this world
to get the job done because he is ALREADY reconciled to God in
Christ.
And why are there only a few addicted believers?
Because they have been told a lie by the FAther of Lies.
DON'T TRY because TRYING IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH !!! CHRIST
DEATH HAS NO MEANING FOR YOU IF YOU CANNOT BE LIKE HIM !!
HIS VICTORY IS NOT SOVEREIGN !!
Lance's friend understands that we who are in Christ are no longer
defined by the Adamic situation. The addicted believers are
defined by the One in whom they have faith AND NOT THEIR SIN.
It is to their own Master that they stand or fall AND THEY
WILL BE MADE TO STAND (Romans 14:4). Praise God
for the hope we have in Christ.
Pastor Smithson
Bishop of Love and Understanding
Minister of Patient Grace
Overseer of the Gospel of Victory in Christ
Joint Heir in Christ
A son of God
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From: Kevin Deegan
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Believers in bondage to sin
Married Bachelors
Square circles
Lance Muir
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I've a friend who runs a group home. He
works the streets in the toughest area of one of Canada's largest
cities. He is presently heading up a small group of believers, newer
and older, including some seminarians, who are addicted to
pornography and homosexuality Comments?
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