Re: [TruthTalk] Judge Dean

[Lance Muir]

DaveH makes a rather convincing case for HIS position on this issue as I see it. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 12, 2006 10:54 Subject: [TruthTalk] Judge Dean Why are you provoking me to have to deal with this as moderator DaveH? DAVEH:  I use the Judge Dean/Moore monikers to remind TTers (including myself) to whom I speaking.  It was not long ago that you mentioned that I have a problem distinguishing TTer Dean from the moderator, and then you referred to yourself as Judge Moore, if I remember correctly.  Since it appears to me that you are judgmental from both positions, I've found it expedient to use both terms when referring to you in order to assist in remembering to which Dean I'm speaking.     Why do you consider this to be a provocation?  Do you not pass judgment as both a moderator (e.g. when you excommunicated the Bishop) and as a regular TTer, such as when you call me a pagan?  Or....Were you making the pagan judgment while you were wearing the moderator's cap? Can you  not defend your religion without making this a moderator issue? DAVEH:  You made it a moderator issue when you suggested that I could not separate Dean from the moderator.  I assume you would agree with me....that Dean does make judgments?  If so, then why would you find the term a problem, since it describes you appropriately?  Furthermore, did you not suggest that saying the truth is not an ad-hom....if so, then referring to you as Judge Dean seems not only appropriate, but neither should it be offensive.    If I am wrong about this, have Judge Moore reprimand me.....right after he reprimands Judge Dean for calling me a pagan. Dean Moore wrote: Note that I noticed the Judge Dean remark- Why are you provoking me to have to deal with this as moderator DaveH? Can you  not defend your religion without making this a moderator issue?     ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/12/2006 1:50:26 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] David Miller 2 the red is much easier to read , for me DAVEH:   And therein lies the problem, Bishop.  If I make my posts are easier to read, then it is much more likely you will be convinced of my arguments.  Hence....Judge Dean must think you will soon be converted to Mormonism, and he finds that possibility to be offensive.       ;-)     BTW.....You are close to converting, aren't you Bishop?   (There is always room for another Bishop in the Church.)        :-) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually,  the red is much easier to read , for me.   jd   -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Dean Moore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  cd: David -Why is it not an offence for DaveH to alter my words? I wrote in blue on a 10 scale-if you will read the below my words were altered by DaveH to red and farther down to a size 12 scale-this is an obvious attempt to make me sound harsh while Daveh kept his wording at common black size 10 scale?       ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/9/2006 12:33:23 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] ***************Respose -ModeratorcommentADHOM************* I called you a Mormon-to which you do not deny-You called me a Christian to wit I did not deny. By doing so you separated the two-and as receiving the first (Mormon) and tagging me with the second(Christian) you have clearly showed yourself to be non Christian DAVEH:   What kind of convoluted logic is that, Judge Dean???  Does any other TTer who understands what Dean said above, agree with his explanation? You DaveH are a Pagan. DAVEH:   I respectfully disagree, Judge Dean.  To me, your above comment is a blatant ad-hom, and I will request Judge Moore take the appropriate action if you do not wish to apologize. he fact that you do not follow the teaching of Jesus Christ DAVEH:  Is that coming from Judge Dean, or Judge Moore? Get over it the truth is not an Ad. Homein attack DAVEH:  Really?!?!?!?!   Did you just make a new TT rule, Judge Moore?  Or was that Judge Dean expressing his unfounded wishes? state a petition to impeach me DAVEH:   Seems to me that you are doing a good job of it on your own. I am not Judge Dean DAVEH:  Then am I to assume that every time you pass judgment, you are speaking as Judge Moore? by your standards isn't that Ad. Homein attacking DAVEH:  ???   I thought we were playing the game by your standards, Judge Dean!   Hence.....Get over it the truth is not an Ad. Homein attack according to you. I will have to go to the Moderator DAVEH:   I've not had much luck with him, but I suspect he will listen to you. Are you implying Dean called you such NAMES? DAVEH:    I'll let Judge Dean answer that, Kevin..........I say/demand again " Get the "Church of Jesus Christ" name off your temple Pagan!!!   cd: Hey- that is Judge Moore to you buddy. You are the one that put a separation between Christianity and Mormonism-in you comment -and when I declare that by doing so this is Paganism you state crying . My Comment: Is it the Mormon in you doing such-or are you just plain mean? Your reply: So let me ask you, Dean......Is it the Christian in you doing such-or are you just plain mean? I called you a Mormon-to which you do not deny-You called me a Christian to wit I did not deny. By doing so you separated the two-and as receiving the first (Mormon) and tagging me with the second(Christian) you have clearly showed yourself to be non Christian-To be non-Christian is to be a Pagan. You DaveH are a Pagan.The fact that you do not follow the teaching of Jesus Christ is a deeper conformation of that point.    Get over it the truth is not an Ad. Homein attack- or state a petition to impeach me.I am not Judge Dean -by your standards isn't that Ad. Homein attacking-better stop or I will have to go to the Moderator.Hey -Judge Moore Moderate this! Kevin Deegan wrote: Are you implying Dean called you such NAMES? Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dave why are you trying to fuel dissection between the groups? DAVEH:   Hmmmmmmmm........well, I hadn't thought about dissecting you guys, but it is a tempting thought you've given me!      ;-) Is it the Mormon in you doing such-or are you just plain mean? DAVEH:  LOL......Sometimes I think SPers are their own worst enemy!  You have the power to push the button that bars me from TT, Dean.  If you do such, I don't think your problems will all go with me.   I've been called a pagan here, a snake in the grass, satan's messenger boy........and I've been falsely accused of condoning violence against SPers.  So let me ask you, Dean......Is it the Christian in you doing such-or are you just plain mea n? Dean Moore wrote: cd:Dave why are you trying to fuel dissection between the groups??Is it the Mormon in you doing such-or are you just plain mean?.     ----- Original Message ----- F rom: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/7/2006 11:03:40 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] ***************Respose - Moderator commentADHOM************* The latter. ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 07, 2006 10:10 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] ***************Respose - Moderator comment ADHOM************* IFO would not have such an assessment of anyone on TT. DAVEH:   Is that is because you do not consider yourself a protected friend of the moderator and fear reprisal, Lance.... .or is it because you have a measure of respect for TT rules and other TTers? Lance Muir wrote: So Kevin, at least I know where we stand. Thanks for the clarity in your judgment. IFO would not have such an assessment of anyone on TT. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 07, 2006 09:17 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] ***************Respose - Moderator comment ADHOM************* This is why I call you UNREGENERATE/LOST Lost in sin dull of hearing of God's word not mine. Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ROTFLOL No you are in Sin 'cause YOU bore false witness. So there! Tak e that! Nya nya!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 07, 2006 07:43 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] ***************Respose - Moderator comment ADHOM************* You are in SIN you bore false witness Du 19:16 If a false witness rise up against any man to testify against him that which is wrong; Then both the men, between whom the controversy is, shall stand before the LORD, before the priests and the judges, which shall be in those days;  And the judges shall make diligent inquisition: and, behold, if the witness be a false witness, and hath testified falsely against his brother; Then shall ye do unto him, as he had thought to have done unto his brother: so shalt thou put the evil away from among you. Then you added SIN to SIN in refusing to answer questions about such False testimony Leviticus 5:1. And if a soul sin, and hear the voice of swearing, and is a witness, whether he hath seen or known of it; if he do not utter it, then he shall bear his iniquity. Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Point proven?? Like I said, I stay for the humour. ----- Original Message ----- < DIV style="BACKGROUND: rgb(228,228,228) 0% 50%; FONT: 10pt arial; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal; moz-background-clip: initial; moz-background-origin: initial; moz-background-inline-policy: initial">From: Dean Moore To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: March 06, 2006 21:05 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] ***************Respose - Moderator comment ADHOM************* Moderator: Point proven Kevin-Thank you-There is truth here in what you say.Carry on .     ----- Original Message ----- From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: 3/6/2006 8:55:37 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] ***************Respose - Moderator comment ADHOM************* Moderator: Kevin can you prove this to be true about Lance?   Noun: false witness  A person who deliberately gives false testimony   Ex 20:16 thou shalt not bear false witness against your neighbor   Read the post from DH about then lance's response, he says "Me too, Dave. When TRUELY OBJECTIONABLE BEHAVIOUR is objected to (by 'acting out') these persons occasionally do seem surprised."   Does repeating stories about which one was not a witness qualify for bearing FALSE WITNESS?   IF YOU WANT TO BE JUDGE then according to DU 19 you need to make DILIGENT INQUIRY INTO THE MATTER! This is only FAIR and according to God's word it is also RIGHT! Du 19:16 If a false witness rise up against any man to testify against him that which is wrong; Then both the men, between whom the controversy is, shall stand before the LORD, before the priests and the judges, which shall be in those days;  And the judges shall make diligent inquisition: and, behold, if the witness be a false witness, and hath testified falsely against his brother; Then shall ye do unto him, as he had thought to have done unto his brother: so shalt thou put the evil away from among you.   Let me present some FACTS for your consideration:   -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS, STUFF, MOTORCYCLE and CLIPS. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.langlitz.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you wish to receive things I find interesting, I maintain six email lists... 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