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Kevin, I think I understand John's question, so I am going to try and
rephrase it and hope you will answer it.
It seems to me that John thinks you do not allow for baby Christians
who might be considered carnal. In other words, if a Christian is found to
be weak and a little dense spiritually, do you kick them out, or do you
change the way you talk to them, condescending to their lower estate, and
speaking in a way that can be received by them?
David Miller
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Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2006 7:14
PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Take I Cor 3:1ff
and put that in perspective
Your position will be clear after you answer the question. Fit the
verse into your theology, Kevein -- whatever that will be
after you perform the requested function. The "trap" is already
sprung, Kev. The fact is - you cannot answer
this question. Case closed. End of "discussion"
[apparently.] Thanks for your time.
jd
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From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Please give a summary of my position for all of TT to read
Simple
request for the (LOST COUNT see the thread below) time.
I am not going to
argue against things to which you misrepresent & I do not hold
This
is why the answer is not forth coming.
The reason why your answer is
not forthcoming is because you can not with out tipping your stacked hand
simply state my position in a sentence or two.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Take I Cor 3:1ff and put that in perspective with your expressed
theology on sin and continuing with those who are carnal. You
know the question and we all know of your theology on the matters
cited above. But no one knows how you fit I Cor 3:1ff into a
present time theology. So, is it a
secret? Be responsible for your beliefs and put it
out there. jd - previously posted
Kevin -- I missed your answer to this. Can't seem
to find it anywhere. It is not in the archives.
Hmmmm.
jd
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From: Kevin Deegan
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
STILL WAITING
Good thing I do
not hold my breath.......
Stop playing you switch a roo
game.
Stop with the straw men
Kevin Deegan
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Take I Cor 3:1ff and put that in perspective with your
expressed theology on sin and continuing with those who are
carnal.
The reason you can not make a simple statement of my belief that
you are arguing against is because you misrepresent me AND you don't
have a clue just what my REAL beliefs are.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Take I Cor 3:1ff and put that in perspective with your
expressed theology on sin and continuing with those who are
carnal. You know the question and we all know of your
theology on the matters cited above. But no one
knows how you fit I Cor 3:1ff into a present time theology.
So, is it a secret? Be
responsible for your beliefs and put it out there.
jd
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From: Kevin Deegan
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Go ahead a short little one
sentence, a restatement of what my belief is on this matter .
As you see it.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I already did this -- in a post to David
Miller. Just this afternoon, sometime.
I think David believes you can answer the question
-- I do not. Prove me wrong. I would have no
problem with that.
jd
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From: Kevin Deegan
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Why don't you restate my theology JD
Then we can go from
there.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Undersanding that such language allows for the believer
to be alive in Christ while growing out of his/her
carnality -- yes., I do not beleive Kevin
can say this. Again -- I am
simply asking how this verse fits into his theology without
throwing it out with the bath water. To date, it does
not appear that he can.
jd
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From: "David Miller"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Interesting take
here, JD. It appears that you think Kevin would never say
> to the brethren with whom he is in fellowship,
"I, brethren, could not speak
> unto you as
spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in
Christ."
> Is that really what you think?
>
> I'm not reading this in Kevin. I guess I need to
go back and review some of
> his posts. Better yet,
Kevin, can you inform us about this. Have you ever
> told fellow believers that they were so carnal
that you had to go over the
> a, b, c's? I suspect
you have found yourself in this position quite often.
>
> David Miller
>
>
>
----- Original Message -----
> From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To:
[email protected] ; [email protected]
> Sent: Mo nday, M arch 13, 2006 5:29 PM
>
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?
>
> Two things: First, if you reference David's
comments - I happen to agree
> with David.
>
> Secondly -- I think a theology that cancels out
such scriptures as I Cor
> 3:1ff is a theology from
the Accuser. Such thinking mocks the written word
>
and renders the application of scripture to be left to the
whim of the
> competing disciples. Perhaps this
cannot be avoided - but such thinking
> demands
that outcome.
>
> My theology, a biblically
based thinking, allows me the freedom to speak
>
the very words written in I Cor 3:1 -- those who disagree
relegate this
> passage to history and give it no
modern day application. Sad.
>
> jd
>
> -------------- Original message --------------
> From: "ShieldsFamily"
>
> > I'd like to
hear jd's response to this post. He keeps acting like h is
one
& gt; > little loophole verse not only
contradicts, but overrules, the entire rest
> >
of the Bible. iz
> >
> > -----Original
Message-----
> > From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
David Miller
> > Sent: Monday, March 13, 2006
12:22 PM
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a
Christian?
> >
> > Kevin wrote:
> > > Do you see Jesus & Paul using your
> > > Dictionary definition of Christian?
> >
> > Jesus never used the term
Christian and never even heard the term
> >
"Christian." Paul was known as a Nazarene (Acts 24:5) and
he offers us no
> > definition for the word
Chris tian. I see the word as refering to those
>
> who
> > profess to follow the teaching of
Christ. People can argue about whether
> >
others actually do f ollow Chris t or n ot, but that seems
to me to be
> > another
> > debate.
When more than 80% of people in the United States identify
> > themselves as being a Christian, it seems to
me that it would not be very
> > productive to
spend our time trying to argue with them that they are not
> > really Christian at all. Does being a
Christian save anybody? No. Faith
> > in the
person of Jesus Christ is what saves. I think that gets
lost when
> > we
> >
> >
focus too much on the sect of Christianity and its
rightful definition.
> >
> > Do you
think that there is something holy or special about the
word
> > "Christian" for the Bible believer?
> >
> > As for Anti-Christs being
Christian, well, of course that will be the
> >
case.
> > Judas Iscariot was a Nazarene and look
how he turned out. Should we expect
> >
Christianity to be pure and void of any Judas Iscariots? I
don 't think so .
&g t; >
> > David
Miller
> >
> >
> > -----
Original Message -----
> > From: Kevin Deegan
> > To: [email protected]
>
> Sent: Friday, March 10, 2006 3:14 PM
> >
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Is a Mormon a Christian?
>
>
> >
> > Do you see Jesus &
Paul using your Dictionary definition of Christian?
> >
> > Under this definition then, a
decieved one who follows ANTI Christ is
> >
truly
> > a Christian!
> >
>
> 1) He truly Believes he is worshipping Jesus Christ
> > 2) He truly believes the one he is following
was sent by God
> > 3) He follows his teachings
and example
> >
> > But in reality he
is a hell bound sinner.
> > Help me
contextualize, this apparent contradiction
> >
> > David Miller wrote:
> > Judy
wrote:
> > > What reason would a nyon e on TT
have
> > ; > to assume that a lifelong Mormon
is also
> > > a Chr istian?
> >
> > Following is how my dictionary defines a
Christian:
> >
> > Chris.tian
>
> noun (plural Chris.tians)
> > 1. believer
in Jesus Christ as savior: somebody who believes that
Jesus
> > Christ was sent to the world by God to
save humanity, and who tries to
> > follow his
teachings and example
> >
> > If we
accept the secular definition of believer as somebody who
believes
> > in
> > the teachings of a
particular religious faith, then from my perspective ,
> > Mormonism falls into this category of
Christian. This does not mean that
> > they have
the right belief system, or that any of them will be
saved. It
> > simply places them in the
Christian category, as a religious sect that is
>
> centered on the idea that Jesus Christ is the Savior
sent by God to save > ; > human i ty. There are
false sects within Christianity, and I think the
>
> Mormon
> > sects are among them.
>
>
> > David Miller.
>
>
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