Fw: [TruthTalk] The relationship of sin and believers.

[Lance Muir]

Title: RE: [TruthTalk] The relationship of sin and believers.

----- Original Message ----- From: Debbie Sawczak To: 'Lance Muir' Sent: March 16, 2006 09:50 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The relationship of sin and believers. How timely. I JUST THIS MOMENT finished the following paragraph in the current chapter on Luther: A little further on, Luther seems almost to contradict what he has said about Christ’s righteousness swallowing up all sins in a moment. “Christ daily drives out the old Adam more and more in accordance with the extent to which faith and knowledge of Christ grow. For alien righteousness is not instilled all at once, but it begins, makes progress, and is finally perfected at the end through death.” The crucial concept here is ‘instilled’. Christ’s alien righteousness is imputed instantaneously, and does blot out or swallow up all our sin in a moment. That is justification. But this same alien righteousness, which gives rise to proper righteousness, is instilled gradually. That is sanctification. Luther discusses this in the next sentence: “The second kind of righteousness is our proper righteousness, not because we alone work it, but because we work with that first and alien righteousness.” The proper righteousness arising from alien righteousness is our putting to death, daily, the old creature. It does not die without a struggle; the corpse continues to twitch. This is the undeniable paradox in Paul’s understanding of the gospel: when we put on Christ, that event slays the old man (Romans 6:4), yet Paul exhorts us to keep putting him to death. How can we, why must we, put to death what is already slain? We can put the old man to death in Christ, only because Christ has already slain him. We must put him to death, or else we are indulging sin. In other words, the Christian life requires both grace and grit. Not that the grit is something we supply, for it too is supplied by grace. But it is still something we have to apply. D -----Original Message----- From: Lance Muir [HYPERLINK mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 9:30 AM To: Debbie Sawczak Subject: Fw: [TruthTalk] The relationship of sin and believers. ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org> Sent: March 16, 2006 09:19 Subject: [TruthTalk] The relationship of sin and believers. > Lance wrote: >> No believer commends known sin! > > Perhaps not, but many so-called believers, Christians if you will, accept > sin as part of life until death, and many will condone sin.  Technically, > they are not believers, because somone who truly sees Jesus as he is and > believes in him, trusts in him, becomes like him instantly. > > Lance wrote: >> No believer is without sin! > > You could mean several different things by this statement.  I hope you are > not denying the cleansing power of the blood of Christ.  I hope you are > not > saying that no believer is morally clean. > > No believer is without sin in the same way that Jesus was not without sin > (reference the post you forwarded by Debbie not long ago), but there are > believers who will be without sin in the same way that Jesus was without > sin, because we are made like him through faith.  As the Scriptures say, > "he > that is born of God sinneth not" (1 John 5:18).  Who is he that is born of > God?  "Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God" (1 > John > 5:1).  Notice it does not say, "whosoever believeth the doctrine of the > Trinity is born of God." > > David Miller > > ---------- > "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may > know how you ought to answer every man."  (Colossians 4:6) > HYPERLINK http://www.InnGlory.org http://www.InnGlory.org > > If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed.  If you have a > friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed. > -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.2.4/282 - Release Date: 3/15/2006   -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.2.4/282 - Release Date: 3/15/2006