I guess we'll not be going out on a high note, David!
As there was no 'smiley' in para #1, am I to take you seriously? Please
check out Dr. McGrath's credentials. (speaking with you outside of your
sectarian framework David, is often like speaking to a child) I've read
pretty much everything he's written on science/theology. I've listened to
several (5-6) courses. Why you chose to step out on your 'silly' foot, I do
not know.
And David, how is it that you KNOW this to be true of Dr. McGrath? Have you
read him? Have you heard him? Are you agnostic as to Dr. McGrath's
credentials and his teaching on both science & theology? How is it that one
could not appreciate your scholarship on this?
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: March 22, 2006 09:45
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
Alister McGrath? He was received at Oxford as an atheist, and later he
converted to Christianity. I guess your point is that John should become
an
atheist first and then he would get in?
You still don't get my point. A Christian these days, according to many
of
these theologians, must adopt the dogma that the mention of a Creator or
models that involve a Creator should not be taught in school. All their
rhetoric about the compatibility of faith and science doesn't mean much at
all if they affirm this idea that the Creator should be ignored in the
study
of science.
David Miller
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
David:
I'll take a pass on the ad-homs in your post as they simply illustrate
what
I've said concerning you all along. You're an insular, rationalism-based,
anthropolically centered, angry, fundamentalist-based, sectarian. Ooops! I
didn't 'take a pass' did I?
I've but one name to give to you and this so-called grief stricken
student.
Alister McGrath. Both of you do your homework so that you might see just
how
wrong you are. (Bonus name: Thomas Weinandy).
Go to it guys!
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: March 22, 2006 08:39
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism
David Miller wrote:
I hate it when theologians are embarrassed
of giving glory to the Creator in school.
Lance wrote:
You do KNOW, do you not David, that
that's NOT the source of his embarrassment?
Rowan Williams is not embarrassed concerning
our Lord ANYWHERE. He, not unlike many,
are embarrassed over believers turning
non-issues into 'issues'. (i.e. creationISM)
There is more to this issue that this. Is he embarrassed of certain
brands
of creationism? Of course. I am too. I'm embarrassed of Henry Morris
and
that whole ICR group over there. At the same time, they serve a purpose
in
what they do, and we should not revolt to them so much that we accept the
atheistic and scientific agenda of removing all references to the Creator
from our public schools.
You say it is a NON-ISSUE? I consider such a statement ignorant in the
extreme. Deceptive to the core. There is one thing that the ICR group
has
illustrated, and that is that this is an issue.
I talked with a student a few months ago, John Boyles, just before he was
elected to be President of Student Government at the University of
Florida.
I talked with him about the persecution my daughter is undergoing at UF
just
because she believes the Bible that homosexual behavior is sinful. He
confided to me that he applied for a Rhodes scholarship to study theology
at
Oxford. He was turned down because he argued in his oral examination /
interview that the idea of Intelligent Design should be considered in the
classroom. If this was a non-issue, these professors of theology would
have
tolerated his creationist convictions. I wish I could convey to you the
grief this man carried over his own religious persecution by those who
would
not have him study theology because he believed intelligent design
theories
should be considered in school.
I truly believe that these modern theologians assume that scientists are
well studied in origins and are deeply convicted about the truth of
evolutionary processes and the absurdity of the teaching of Genesis.
When
the truth comes out, they will be the ones who will be greatly
embarrassed
in the day of our Lord. The philosopher Thomas Khun was right in how he
depicted the way science really operates. These theologians who object
to
Creationist models of origins should pay attention to him just a little
bit
more.
David Miller
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