JD was the Pres. of the Debate society when he was a kid!!! --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Why can't it be the way it is written? Well - I wouldn't know the > answer to that, Judy. I am talking about what is written. 26 > seconds versus 144 hours is about what is written. Your little proof > text has nothing to do with the topic of creation and this Genesis > account. > > The reason why you chose not to debate the issue is because you > cannot. And you certainly have not debated the issue. This is the > third post from you I have opened this morning with absolutely > nothing in any of them work responding too. Just negative chit-chat. > > > jd > > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Says one from CA who has been permeated by the "fast food" fast > everything generation > Remember "He that believeth shall not make haste" .... So why does > God have to be in a big hurry? > And why can't it be the way it is written? Because JD says it does > not make sense to him? > > On Sat, 25 Mar 2006 02:33:06 +0000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > David, allow me this moment to reveal just a tad about the > Smithmeister. Bulldogery is that which speaks of my passion. > Indeed, I have gotten angry twice, here on TT, both times following > one of your priceless comments . Twice in three years (going back > a ways .)?!! Not bad, I think. > > I am certainly NOT emotional in my response(s) on this subject. > > There have been times, in past postings, that you have been even > brilliant in your defense. This is not one of those times. Science > and creation is not one of your strong points -- at least not this > time around. I suspect that you are distracted with other things. > > > To wit: God takes 26 seconds to speak all things into existence - > I say. > > But you, wanting to present the act of creation as longer, say > exactly 144 hours (6 days times 24 hours for those of you living > near the Ozarks) retort with this -- For example, if he spoke for the > land masses to divide from the water, it took less than a minute to > say it, but hours for the land and water to do what he said. > > Maybe that doesn't sound funny to you, but honestly, it is a riot > over here in my office. "Those dumb old land masses -- they > couldn't just POP into place. N0 sir-reeeee. It took time for > them to move into place -- upwards of several hours > !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Com'on big D !! Just admit that the > non-literal 24 hour crowd just might have a point !! > > Look -- if you give graduating high school students your kind of > information and send to them to Humbolt State - why, within > minutes, the whole bunch of them would become atheists !! I have > seen this happen many times. Our young people have left their > individual churches thinking there is nothing to evolution, or > whatever, and when they sit in front of an antongist, they are left > naked, poor and numb. > > You might not be impressed with my explanations offered to my boys > at U of Cal at Davies -- but let me tell you this. I had been > working on one line explanations for years before my boys got to > school. All of those one-liners thoroughly defeated except for > that one brief paragraph of thought I gave in another post (the > eternity of matter and motion aand the philosophical advantage of > going with the eternity of God - thingy). I have talked about > "postulated" truth in the past -- that such is considered to be > "truth" but without the possibility of PROOF. I have mentioned that > science is as much addicted to "faith" as a Christian to his God > ..... all things I could communicate in minutes over the phone. > And guess what -- my boys called!!! These guys each won state > wrestling championships and I coached them (AND YES I AM MOST > DEFINITELY BRAGGING). In some venues , they completely trusted me > and with reason. Probably the most important long distance phone > call I will ever receive from my boys was THAT call > -- "Dad, this prof is killing us !! What do we say?" > There was no doubt in their minds that The Reply would work. I > could have lost both boys the next day in class !! You should have > heard that next phone call .... the next evening !! Awesome. > > How did I know it would work ? I went to several science classes > over the years and used my best stuff in class -- none of it > survived except the above..... but it was enough. > > Use the Bible as a battle ground AND YOU WILL CONDEMN YOUR CHILDREN > TO HELL. Get the educator to admit that his world of knowing is not > that much different than the Christian's and you have common ground > with which to discuss. You never fight your opponent in his > backyard !! > > Since TT is almost over - one more story. My oldest daughter came > to me as a14 year old with her first job. Her boss was an atheist. > She tried to convert him and got beat up in the process. "Dad, how > do I defend inspiration to Bruce?" > > "Julie, you don't even try. Do this -- explain to him that all of > the writers of the New Testament scriptures were murdered for their > beliefs and then ask him, 'Bruce, don't you think you should at > least examine what it was they died for ?" > He told her he was prepared for any response but that one !! That > opened a door that was slammed shut two weeks later in his drowning > death at the lake. Was there light in life because of that talk? > I like to think there was. > > jd > > > > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Interpretation/interpolation/speculation re:Genesis leads one to that > which one has just witnessed over the last week or so. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: David Miller > To: [email protected] > Sent: March 23, 2006 17:01 > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism > > > I don't know why you are getting so emotional over this. > > I think that when God spoke, in many situations, it took some time > for what he said to take place. For example, if he spoke for the > land masses to divide from the water, it took less than a minute to > say it, but hours for the land and water to do what he said. He also > may have been involved in other ways that we don't understand right > now. Do you see it differently? It does not have anything to do > with resting for the next day. > > David Miller > ----- Original Message ----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [email protected] ; [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 4:36 PM > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism > > > David !! Honestly, this is one of the sorriest posts you have ever > written. First, an atheist mocks God and I am no atheist. > > Secondly, the reason you are confused with what I said (144 hours of > time to speak the words of creation that took only 26 seconds to > actually speak) is rather simple -- you have somehow lost the > context of my statement. My comments go the the notion that "day" is > not a 24 hour period. To say that it is metaphorical does not > mean that God did not create the world and even in the sequence > depicted -- at least not to me. Such an admission , on my part, > does not mean that I believe the Genesis account to be "scientific" > as we understand that term , today. Look -- do you really believe > that God worked so hard in His creation activity that he needed a 24 > hour period of time to rest up !!!?? And "rest up " for what? > Com'on David, this is impossible. > > jd > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Are you mocking the concept that God created the world through faith > and speaking? What does how long it takes for him to speak words > have to do with how long it took for the world to come into being? I > don't understand your point. > > David Miller > ----- Original Message ----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [email protected] ; [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2006 5:29 PM > Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Williams on Creationism > > > So which fundamentalist version of creation do you support. That A > & E were spirit people. A 6000 year date or a 10,000 or an > "unknown" e.t. ? The version that says it took God 144 hours to > speak words that can be spoken in 24 seconds !!! I just did it in > 24 big ones !! including a drink of water because my mouth was > getting dry. > > Consensus has NOTHING to do with !! Rad Fundies cannot agree on > much of anything. Which version goes into the school system ??? We > are still waiting?? > > jd > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Don't you get it JT? > TRUTH is found in CONSENSUS! > The opinions of Men are the key..... > > Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So? > There isn't a single fiew of the whole church that is agreed upon > by the whole church either. What does that prove? judyt > > On Wed, 22 Mar 2006 01:27:56 +0000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Perhaps the Bishop has the same concerns I do. I know this -- > there isn't a single view of creationism that is agreed upon by the > whole church. > > jd > > > > -------------- Original message -------------- > From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > John wrote: > > The world in which we live would reject > > any mention of God in the evolutionary process, > > IMO. But creationism in the schools? Could > > that not be considered the beginnings of a fanatical > > fundamentalist take-over of the culture? > > ROTFLOL. I sure hope you were being facetious on purpose. > > John wrote: > > But to allow a mere statement that suggests God > > is somehow in control as the Creator(?) If this > > could be presented into the secular system of > > education without it being coopted by the fundies > > -- go for it. But I doubt that it can. What a shame > > that radical fundamentalism within Christiandom forces > > the Body to dismiss a perfectly wonderful opportunity > > to introduce the Creator to others. > > In case you did not notice, the fundamentalists are not causing the > acknowledgement of our Creator to be forbidden in schools. It is the > liberal loonies like this Archbishop of Canterbury who are doing > this. > > David Miller > > > > > > > Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and > 30+ countries) for 2ยข/min or less. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ---------- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. 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