On 30/04/13 08:51 +0600, Ilya Melnikov wrote: > Cédric Krier wrote: > > It is not the goal "being flexible" of this box. > > It is a tool for user that can not yet write search queries to learn how > > to write them. So it must be simple to reach this goal. > > Is it just for beginners? If I know how to write search queries > than I will not use Filter box? Of course not.
Of course yes. I never use this box because writing search is much more faster. > I will use Filter box because it more convenient. Manual writing search query > consumes more time I really doubt about that. > and sometimes works bad (parser broke expressions). Then fill an issue because it must be fixed. More over if the parser is broken it will also be with the box. > I don't think that Filter box will become complex if two buttons will be > added. So we don't have the same opinion on what is a simple design. The more choices there are, the more complex it is. > On the contrary, if we talk about beginners - presenting buttons > "And"/"Or" will help learn them that search queries can contain such > predicates. Some users don't understand what is "and"/"or" in a query. Have you already ask people if they use it on Google Search? I did around me and I almost find nobody (except devs). > > Moreover, the idea is that you can re-open it to improve your query > > because the content stays on it (except if query is manually edited). > > Reopen works very bad. In the most of cases little corrections in search field > lead to Filter box became clean. And I must enter values there from scratch. Patch is welcome to improve it. > > I can even not understand what will do the "And"/"Or" buttons. > > Ok, and if place it before?: > http://itmages.com/image/view/1005391/a8cf725c > Isn't it intuitive? Pressing "And filter name" leads to adding with And. > This sounds like natural language. By looking at it, I still don't understand what it does. And again choices are bad for design. > > The delete is useless because you just have to unselect the star to > > acheive this behavior. > > Yes, I know about "unselect the star". But this is counterintuitive (at least > for me). I stuck, when first time I was needed to delete saved filter. I > looked > for "delete button". It took some time to understand how to do it. This is really strange because most of the browsers work like that. And also it is consistent with the other "Favorite" feature on the menu. Consistency is the more important feature for the project. > Afterwords. > As I said main problem for me is replacing current expression. > When I worked with filter I often had to save current search expression in > clipboard because pressing Find or selecting saved filter clears current, If it doesn't it is because your expression is wrong. You must use the autocompletion to help you writing it. > but I > needed add to current. I you think that adding buttons can lead to complexity > of Filter box, may be at least make that Shift+Click on Find adds expression? This is even worse because it breaks all the semantic of this search box. -- Cédric Krier B2CK SPRL Rue de Rotterdam, 4 4000 Liège Belgium Tel: +32 472 54 46 59 Email/Jabber: [email protected] Website: http://www.b2ck.com/
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