Hi,
this should be the preferred approach rather than doing a special
version of every application protocol to also run over UDP -- which
would just be calling for trouble, IMHO.
Joerg
Jukka Manner wrote:
Hi Gonzalo,
Would our GUT-scheme be of any help here, in the BFCP over TCP over UDP?
We have an implementation out for Linux that works great, and it doesn't
require any changes to the tunnel protocol and application. People have
used GUT to tunnel various problematic protocols through NATs.
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-manner-tsvwg-gut-02
Yet, GUT is only meant to get "challenging" protocols through a legacy,
old, NAT. It doesn't introduce any full-fledged NAT-traversal signaling,
e.g., to get a hole for an incoming flow.
cheers,
Jukka
On 07/19/2010 02:00 PM, Gonzalo Camarillo wrote:
Folks,
BFCP (Binary Floor Control Protocol), defined in RFC 4582, runs between
a client and a floor control server. Generally, the floor control server
has a public IP address. The client establishes a TCP connection towards
the floor control server so that, even if the client is behind a NAT,
everything works.
However, in some existing deployment scenarios the floor control server
functionality is implemented in an endpoint, which may be behind a NAT.
A typical session between two endpoints in these scenarios consist of a
BFCP connection and one or more media streams (e.g., audio and video)
between them. In this type of scenario, NAT traversal becomes a problem.
Existing deployments implement different approaches to address the fact
that the floor control server is not directly reachable. One of these
approaches consists of transporting BFCP over UDP instead of over TCP
(this approach is documented in the draft below). In this way, the
endpoints can use ICE to find connectivity between them.
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sandbakken-xcon-bfcp-udp/
An alternative approach would be to still use TCP as a transport and use
ICE TCP. However, the success rate of ICE TCP is not high enough at this
point. Yet another alternative would be to tunnel BFCP over TCP over UDP.
The XCON WG is aware of the guidelines given in RFC 5405 but would like
to ask the transport community for further guidance on this issue.
Note that this is actually a general issue that will affect any protocol
for which TCP would be the natural transport but that would need to run
between endpoints in NATted environments. RELOAD
(draft-ietf-p2psip-base) would be an example of a similar protocol
(which currently intends to use ICE TCP).
Given that this issue appear to be more general than BFCP and may affect
other protocols, we would appreciate to get input on how to proceed.
Thanks,
Gonzalo
