On Tue, Dec 06, 2022 at 12:54:57PM -0800, Dino Farinacci wrote: > > path exploration? but consider the shadow pricing... > > Just something semi-formal where we can meet regularly. But first, please > lets articuulate the problem very clearly. And bring operators in so they can > confirm the problem that researchers are stating are real problems that need > solving.
I actually would love to just have a standing forum to better bring routing researchers together with industrial routing experts. Aka: not focussed on a specific issue (as Tony's past RRG instance). E.g.: where researcher can ask questions to the experts, or propose research and ask if/how this is useful to the industry, and where industry folks can ask for researchers to look into specific issues (i think there are for example a lot of simulations to investigate behaviors that we'd like to have from the undustry). Not sure if "Research Group" is the right name for this. I think it would be a lot closer to the SIG concept (https://wiki.ietf.org/en/group/iesg/specialinterestgroups), except that that concept was built and specified around interaction between IETF and operational considerations of a specific community. Not on bringing more researchers back to the IETF. We do have a subset of what i think such an RRG would do in rtgwg - researchers bring ideas - and then they most often figure out that they can only proceed when they throw themselves fully into the RFC process (which most of them cannot/wantnot do). And from what i understand even this is not always welcome by rtgwg, because it does take a significant amount of time that folks feel should better be spent on actual WG deliverables. Of course, i am mostly interested in the ietf->research direction, e.g.: where the IETF community can better raise the questions of interest to be researched because the way i see it, there is no forum whatsover for this part. Cheers Toerless
