I like it..  How complex though is it to set up?  Documentation is good, but
documentation is broken is terrible!  I think some of the best parts about
it are the ER-Diagram.

I would love to see some of the logic, I have never really gotton into
Cocoon...

Eric Pugh

-----Original Message-----
From: Tom Schindl [mailto:tom.schindl@;bestsolution.at]
Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 10:13 AM
To: Turbine Torque Developers List
Subject: RE: project documentation


Well, looks nice. Still take a look at my solution which is now also
creating ER-Diagrams (pngs). Using transformation from 
db-schema.xml => svg => png using cocoon. Everything is made on the fly
by cocoon, so if db-schema.xml changes, documentation changes
automatically.

http://ferrum.bestsolution.at:8080/cocoon/torque-doc/index.html

I've only tested the page with mozilla, still it should also work on IE.

Please note that the connection is very slow because only my
home-computer runs cocoon.

bye

tom

Am Mit, 2002-11-06 um 17.46 schrieb Howard Lin:
> Hi, I think the Velocity templates (datamodel.vm/table.vm in
src/templates/doc/anakia) can be modified to achieve your first two cases.
(Actually I modified table.vm a little bit to add foreign key column name in
the table).
> 
> For SVG generation, see
http://www.mail-archive.com/turbine-torque-dev@;jakarta.apache.org/msg00821.h
tml.
> 
> Howard Lin   
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tom Schindl [mailto:tom.schindl@;bestsolution.at]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 9:29 AM
> > To: Turbine Torque Developers List
> > Subject: Re: project documentation
> > 
> > 
> > Hi Ben,
> > 
> > let's see whether I've understood you. You're using the HTML 
> > produced by
> > torques documentation task and process it using xdoc. Your 
> > example looks
> > nice.
> > 
> > My problem with this is, that to much information has been lost in the
> > html-file(s) generated by torque. 
> > 
> > Now you have 2 possibilities if you want to rely on this infos:
> > 
> > 1) Changing the transformation-process provided by torque to include
> > them in any way
> > 2) Use the db-schema.xml and generate the documentation out of it.
> > 
> > 
> > Well because I need much informations to generate my idea of
> > documentation. Maybe not at this point but later on, when creating
> > database-schema.jpg showing the structure and references 
> > between tables
> > in visual form instead of the linked HTML-Code. I think this 
> > information
> > has not to be exported into the HTML-file generated by torque. 
> > 
> > I've uploaded some screen shots on my webserver because cocoon is not
> > running there at the moment.
> > 
> > http://www.bestsolution.at/torque/torque1.jpg
> > This is the main-page. Already implemented by my xsl-Stylesheets.
> > 
> > http://www.bestsolution.at/torque/torque2.jpg
> > This is the example for a tabel. Already implemented by my
> > xsl-Stylesheets.
> > 
> > http://www.bestsolution.at/torque/torque3.jpg
> > This is an example for my database-schema.jpg which I talked about a
> > view lines above. At the moment this is a Screenshot taken from
> > DbVisualizer.
> > 
> > Once more I don't want to replace the html-output generated 
> > by torque. I
> > only wanted to show up another way to create a documentation based on
> > the db-schema.xml-File.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > 
> > tom
> > 
> > 
> > Am Mit, 2002-11-06 um 08.07 schrieb Ben Walding:
> > > Did I miss something?
> > > 
> > > How is this different than the anakia doc output from 
> > Torque that can be 
> > > processed by xdoc into a web page?
> > > eg. 
> > http://montage.sourceforge.net/montage-server/montage-schema.html
> > > This is all done using only a handful of commands.  If 
> > anyone wants more 
> > > information, let me know.
> > > 
> > > Is yours an improved version?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > (I'm not trying to be a smart *ss or put down what you've 
> > done.  I'm 
> > > curious to know if what you've done is better than what was 
> > built into 
> > > to torque)
> > > 
> > > Cheers,
> > > 
> > > Ben
> > > 
> > > Jeffrey D. Brekke wrote:
> > > 
> > > >This may be a nice addition to the maven-torque plugin.  
> > You could use the 
> > > >maven xdoc goals to convert the documents into reports 
> > with the maven l&f 
> > > >and integrate into the project docs.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >On 5 Nov 2002, Tom Schindl wrote:
> > > >
> > > >  
> > > >
> > > >>Hi,
> > > >>
> > > >>After having spent some hours thinking about a nice 
> > documentation about
> > > >>my database created using torque. I thought about using cocoon and
> > > >>writing a stylesheet to convert everything into HTML as the primer
> > > >>outputformat.
> > > >>
> > > >>I've used maven.css and tigris.css so the design looks 
> > like the torque
> > > >>homepage (I've learned from my faults made in the last
> > > >>documentation-patch :-)) ).
> > > >>
> > > >>I think generating the documentation using XSL and XSLT has many
> > > >>advantages against the one provided at the moment. 
> > Nevertheless I don't
> > > >>want to replace the actual documentation I think my way 
> > could be an
> > > >>add-on to torque.
> > > >>
> > > >>At the moment have a set of stylesheets generating the following:
> > > >>* database documentation in html
> > > >>* table document in html
> > > >>
> > > >>My first questions now are:
> > > >>* What does the community and the developers of torque 
> > think about it?
> > > >>* Whom should I mail my set of xsl-stylesheets to take a 
> > look at them
> > > >>and tell what has to be changed. Should I pack them up as 
> > a ZIP and send
> > > >>them to the mailing list?
> > > >>
> > > >>I've also planned to implement the following things after 
> > this first
> > > >>try:
> > > >>* generating a database overview very similar to the one 
> > you'll get from
> > > >>tools like Access or DbVisualizer. This writing an XSL-Stylesheet
> > > >>generating a SVG-File and using Cocoons-Serialzer to 
> > generate a PNG out
> > > >>of it
> > > >>* PDF as output format instead of HTML using Cocoon and FOP
> > > >>
> > > >>bye
> > > >>
> > > >>tom
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>    
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >  
> > > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
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