Jason - 

Thanks for the response...

06/06/2001 16:49:43, Jason van Zyl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Layout templates are searched for because every screen template has
>a corresponding layout template. Read the FSD:
>
>http://jakarta.apache.org/turbine/fsd.html

That would be my fifth time...

>If you want to learn about the relationship between layouts and screens.
>And read the Velocity site howto to find out how templates are searched
>for. There is a search order for templates so you may see some failed
>attempts in your logs for various layout templates.
>
>http://jakarta.apache.org/turbine/howto/velocity-site-howto.html

I've carried dog-eared versions of *all* the howtos around in my bag for the 
last week or two reading them in different orders, reading more about servlets, 
then going back to them etc...

>> I suspect I have a faulty understanding of the interaction between layouts 
and
>> screens - I'm using data.setScreenLayout to set the destination screens...
>
>You are setting the layout here which is not what you want. Were
>you trying to set the layout or the screen? Did you look at
>the TDK sample app?

I've been over it several times...

>You no longer need to use any manual setting of layouts. Just use
>
>data.setScreenTemplate(template)
>
>and the corresponding layout template will be found for you.

Jason, don't get me wrong, I think theres a tremendous amount of good work gone 
into this but (I'm gonna get flamed to death) these docs are not terribly well-
written or easy to understand. They are also - by admission of several members 
of this group - out of date in places.

I suspect I'm speaking for a few lurkers to say that the whole Turbine/velocity 
framework is mildly confusing at first and the docs are actually counter-
productive in parts since they are so obviously written by someone who *already 
understands* the system... They are still of a much higher quality than are 
found in most OSS projects and I'm not knocking them. However, always pointing 
people to the same docs when they are beginners and confused doesn't help much. 
I believe the vast majority of people do look at these docs before posting and 
post because they require clarification.

Perhaps I could suggest that 'senior' members of the list simply don't answer if 
they don't want to/feel its too simple a question/the person needs an RTFM. This 
might encourage people at a lower level to trade experiences... Anyone agree?

Like I said, I appreciate the response and this email isn't meant to sound as 
ungrateful as it seems looking back over it... 

For the record, I am using setScreenTemplate but read the thread from a few 
weeks back (http://www.mail-archive.com/turbine-user%
40jakarta.apache.org/msg00635.html) about using setScreen from action classes 
and setScreenTemplate inside screen classes... this got me a ClassNotFound so 
its back to the docs...


colm



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