On 27 Aug 2001, Daniel Rall wrote:

> Lack of fluffy documentation has been an issue since I started using
> Turbine a year and a half ago.  Use of the API and source code is a
> reasonable substitute, but doesn't do much to lower the learning
> curve.  The spin-off of Fulcrum and Torque in Turbine 3.0 has helped
> with that quite a bit.

Look, I really didn't intend to start a flame war, and you don't have to
convince me that Turbine 3.0 will be exceptional.  I also realise that Jon
has written a lot of the Turbine code and has contributed a lot of his
time to the project and I appreciate every minute...  without you guys I
wouldn't have been able to learn how to write better code.

> In what manner have you experienced Turbine lacking in community
> support?

Sorry, I must have worded this poorly...  IMHO most of the Turbine
developers are very helpful and I appreciate that too...  personally I
tend to figure things out for myself and that's why I haven't asked many
questions yet, but I know plenty of other developers who appreciate some
friendly guidance, and indeed if I start using Turbine for production
projects I am sure I will need some guidance too.  I was just trying to
make Jon realise that his comments are sometimes detrimental to the
community, rather than beneficial, in the hope that he would stop
offending so many people.

> > Of course, this would improve if only I could convince my developers
> > to start using and contributing to Turbine...
>
> What is stopping them?

Jon's attitude.

I really do apologise to everyone else on the list for my outbursts, and I
would like to stop this thread here and now.  I hope I haven't caused too
much damage already.

Regards,

-- Rodney


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