We thought we could have released dynamic website based on turbine
for our customers in 2 months. Could not get turbine working in 1
month. Had to change to annother product to get finished on time.

We tried TDK 2.1. I liked the idea of almost everything. Sample app 
worked kind of OK. I generated extra files for our project using vm-
templates in torque like: skeleton intake.xml based on our project 
schema.xml and lots of other helpful code. 

Problems started at intake service. According to my opinion even 
intake.xml format was incorrect for that version and then we got 
tons of exeptions. Seemed that there were not only wrong files 
but wrong *.jar versions of xml parser according to mail archives
etc... 

Since this was out of the box TDK 2.1 "production release" dozens
of people around the web are loading it and going trough the same 
misery over and over again figuring out what's wrong with the 
release... things that one experienced TDK 2.1 user could have 
fixed in the release. 

I aggree to what has been said about getting the feeling about 
the product how it makes life easier and more interesting on 
triming things and such on. (I used the product to a degree)
On the other hand... in the real world, when payment depends on
weather customer receives their application or not... there is no
time to chase bugs caused by disinterest in release quality. 

- Pauli


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