Hi, Webmacro or Cocoon are frameworks for "data publishing" - they can help to "map" the MVC's framework viewer object (Am I wrong ?) Actually (sigh !) I don't use Turbine but I'm listening to the mailing list; anyway: Turbine or similar frameworks (see JavaCorporate's Expresso) seems to be a (near) *complete* solutions for building some web applications. If you take a look at Model-View-Controller design pattern (Turbine does!), you see you can "build" your model object, that's your "container" for the business rules - aka the raw code and the database data access / manipulation - using useful and tested built-in methods. In web apps you have got (up to now) the html pages that are the graphical interface for your application: you'd like to see your model's data representation here !! So, with webmacro or similar view frameworks, you can "capture" your model's data (from your model object) and reflect them into your view (html pages). For this purpose, I think WM and Cocoon are great (expecially Cocoon for XML/XSLT handling) !! Anyway, I don't like to use (example) Cocoon and its library system stand-alone for building non-trivial applications (for mapping the entire MVC framework...). There are things that these frameworks (by their nature) don't support / consider ... state management, access control lists, and a lot of thing that you can read into the Turbie's feature list, for example !! WebMacro | Cocoon | JSP pages (model2) are great for handling the MVC's view object; Turbine-like frameworks for building the MVC's model object; your servlet is the MVC's controller object - that's the object that interacts between your model and your view. Luca Fossato. > -----Original Message----- > From: fanyun [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 1:13 PM > To: Turbine > Subject: Re: Turbine and WebMacro/JSP/FreeMarker/Cocoon questions > > > I am now search for the best way to build some servlet application. > > What is the suggested tool? > > WebMacro I think it is simple to understand > Cocoon It uses XML, this seems to be the future > > or write code directly,like Jvye. It seems more flexible. > > > Regards > > > fanyun > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Didier Dubois" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Turbine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 5:57 PM > Subject: Turbine and WebMacro/JSP/FreeMarker/Cocoon questions > > > > Hi All, > > > > In the turbine home page it is said: > > > > "Turbine can be integrated with existing WebMacro, Java Server Pages > > (JSP), FreeMarker and Cocoon technologies by specially > creating Screens > > that use Services to parse templates." > > > > Could someone here tell us: > > - > > What are the key differences between Webmacro, JSP, FreeMarker and > > Cocoon? > > - Could you give us success stories for each technologies? > > - What are the pros and cons in term of ease of use, compatibility, > > maintenace, stability, standard, possible future,....etc,.... > > - What technologie is the most portable and the most used.? > > > > Furthermore, it seems that DefaultScreen and Login would be > removed for > > a WebMacro alternative. > > - does it makes sense instead of using 'Pure' Apache > technology like JSP > > or Coocon??? > > BTW, webmarco is under GPL, is it good? (see XForm thread) > > > > > > Many thanks, > > Didier. > > > > > > -- > > Didier Dubois > > mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.idbsoft.ch > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > > To subscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Search: > <http://www.mail-archive.com/turbine%40list.working-dogs.com/> > > Problems?: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------ > To subscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Search: <http://www.mail-archive.com/turbine%40list.working-dogs.com/> > Problems?: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ------------------------------------------------------------ To subscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Search: <http://www.mail-archive.com/turbine%40list.working-dogs.com/> Problems?: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
