On Sun, 2008-21-09 at 18:14 -0500, Ian Bicking wrote:
> 
> iain duncan wrote:
> > I think I will spend some time evaluating the state of the various css
> > frameworks for the quickstart templates. Thought I'd check first to see 
> > 
> > a) what people think are important criteria
> > b) what people think are contenders or should be eliminated 
> > 
> > It seems to me it makes the most sense to use a set of id and class tags
> > that are already being used by a good framework in order to add a level
> > of pluggability. Thoughts?
> 
> I'm curious what you'll come up with, as the idea of a good CSS 
> framework is very compelling to me, in or out of TurboGears.  For me the 
> interest is more applying a common look-and-feel across systems, which 
> requires some sanity in CSS, and all stylesheets will have some degree 
> of insanity when they are developed organically from scratch.
> 
> I'd like something that uses more semantically-oriented class names 
> instead of some of the garbage names I've seen before.  I think the 
> reason for the garbage names is that there's lots of optional ways to 
> lay out the page, and you use different ids or class names depending on 
> the layout.  It seems much preferable to have some kind of builder that 
> creates a basic stylesheet based on layout preferences, and all layouts 
> use the same ids or class names (though of course some will have more 
> than others, e.g., 3-column will have classes a 2-column layout does not).
> 
> A good template for a stylesheet would also have a template for a style 
> guide.  For any substantial site I've worked on with multiple people 
> (including designers and programmers) some kind of style guide is really 
> helpful.  Generally a page that lists all the styles, i.e., all the 
> recommended tags, any special classes, and advice on where to use them.

Sounds like you're thinking on the same page as me, so I will certainly
send you some alpha ideas. I forget how much I hate IE6 until I sit down
to redesign things, aack.

Iain



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