Hi Gerhard,

First of all, my apologies to folks for not keeping you all more in
touch with what's going on here at PyCon. It's been a great conference
thus far, and we've got quite a crew together for the sprint.

I want to clarify what's going on here at PyCon and what the deal is
with the SQLAlchemy stuff that Jeff has committed...

Regarding SQLAlchemy: the officially supported ORM remains SQLObject.
Mike Bayer doesn't believe that SQLAlchemy is fully ready for prime
time, but for a number of people it has already proven to be quite
useful and to handle a number of problems that SQLObject does not
handle gracefully. For that reason, TurboGears has experimental
support for SQLAlchemy for people who are running into issues and want
to give SQLAlchemy a try. I have no intention of doing pluggable ORMs,
and if SQLAlchemy matures fully and appears to be the best-of-breed
choice down the line, there will be an easy migration path for people
with existing TurboGears apps.

As for the things we're doing at PyCon: we've got three tracks going
right now: Kid, Docudo and experimentation with
Paste/WSGI/RhubarbTart. The things we're working on are the kinds of
things that really benefit from being in the same room together. The
Kid and Docudo work will hopefully bear visible results very soon. The
WSGI experimentation we're doing is not likely to land very soon. I
can say for certain that we're getting a lot more traction with our
experiments by being together here than we would working
independently... so, it's the right time for us to work on it from
that standpoint, but it's not the right time for it to roll into the
trunk.

So, rest assured: 0.9/1.0 is not going to look significantly different
than it does now. And, we're definitely keeping an eye on backwards
compatibility as we do our work.

As soon as there's something cool to show off from here, I'll let you all know!

Kevin

p.s. I've done a screencast of my "Effective Ajax with TurboGears"
talk. I'll try to get that online sometime soon. The internet access
here hasn't been the best, which is part of the reason that I haven't
been doing much emailing/blogging.

On 2/27/06, Gerhard Häring <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Lately I'm seeing checkins with comments like
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> - - Added SQLAlchemy support
> - - Added RhubarbTart? to install_requires
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> Ok, the RhubarbTart thing is going on in the pycon2006 branch.
>
> But I'm concerned that TurboGears will be a construction site for quite
> some time unless a feature freeze of some sort is pronounced to get to
> 0.9 and 1.0 in the next months.
>
> And I thought that was the plan here.
>
> It's not that I dislike those things, but IMO RhubarbTart (or CherryPy3)
> and SQLAlchemy (or SQLObject2, or whatever will be the best ORM *then*)
> should be targets for TurboGears 2.0, not 1.0.
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> There's always a next major release where new shiny things can be added :-)
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> Cheers,
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