Hi Justin, On 3/16/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Alternatively, SQLAlchemy looks very nice indeed - feature rich and powerful. > But if Kevin wants to keep SQLObject in the picture then I feel that for my > part moving to it isn't helping the TG effort. It's harder to evangalise the > framework if you have to say that you ripped the ORM out because it wasn't up > to scratch.
You raise good points, and I'll need to figure out a good way to spell this out on the website somewhere. Here's the complete picture: * SQLObject has warts. Everyone, including Ian, is aware of that. But, it's also very easy to use for the cases that it handles well and it's in relatively wide usage. * SQLAlchemy handles more cases with more grace than SQLObject does. * SQLAlchemy does not yet have an API that is as easy as SQLObject's in the cases that SQLObject handles well. The ActiveMapper extensions bridges this to a large degree. * SQLAlchemy is not yet considered stable by its author (Mike Bayer). And yet, Mike is also aware that people are already using it and many are using it to good advantage. * TurboGears does not yet have a compatibility layer to ease the transition to SQLAlchemy. * TurboGears currently has support for using SQLAlchemy on the trunk. This will appear in 0.9a2. It doesn't cover things like the Toolbox. If I was starting a new project today, I would use SQLAlchemy and deal with the API instability and lack of additional tools. But, that's just me. I can't label SQLAlchemy *the* ORM for TurboGears until it handles the easy cases easily, has backwards compatibility for people who started with SQLObject and want to move up, and has support of the Toolbox and tg-admin. It is for these reasons that TurboGears 1.0 will ship with SQLObject as the "official" ORM. But, the support is there for SQLAlchemy for people who are working outside the bounds of what SQLObject handles gracefully. Does that seem reasonable? Kevin --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TurboGears" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/turbogears -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
