On 11/10/06, Ilias Lazaridis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The technical facts are very clear.
>
> TurboGears is essentially a toy as long as is cannot rely on a
> industry-standard-compliant (at least a subset) persistency-layer.
>
> I hope that the project-lead will realize this, despite the desperate
> attemps of the community (essentially the overall python community) to
> say "everything is fine".

Sorry, I haven't drunk that particular Kool Aid. To call TurboGears
(using something like SQLAlchemy) a toy is just foolishness.  Large
numbers of folks create all kinds of applications in Java using
straight JDBC, or using Hibernate. Lots of people create apps all day
long in PHP talking directly to MySQL (without transactions, even!)

This is open source. If someone wants to go and implement an "industry
standard" (that I'd bet is used in a tiny minority of webapps), go for
it. If it looks like a better solution, I'd be happy to use it.

Personally, I'd rather spend my time making cool and useful stuff.

Kevin

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