On 2/5/07, Steve Bergman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > well the list your suggesting is what this list is for, the "advanced list" is turbogears-trunk, now spliting lists up was suggested specially when the traffic here grew so much some people just couldn't coup with it. But it was drop because that will just increase de ammount of duplicate posts and make it more complicated for when you need to ask something (umm this is not that simple maybe I shouldn't post it to the tutor list... but yet it's not a newbie question... ok here is what I'll do Body: hi sorry for posting this to both lists but I wasn't sure where it should go)
As for being affaid to ask all I can say is that TG comunity is very good here, from time to time people post things like "please tell me about good python books" and the responses are quite good, some even better then the official python list :) So in case someone out there is reading this and affaid to ask your stupid question, just think about this "they are not stupid questions, just obvious answers" peace > > > On Feb 5, 2:08 pm, Neil Tiffin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Feb 5, 2007, at 3:09 AM, Jorge Vargas wrote: > > > As a casual user and not a python expert I can not read the python > > code and figure out how something supposed to work (at least not > > efficiently). I do know how to create web pages, I understand simple > > AJAX concepts, I can write simple python code and can write > > Javascript, but TG has too many behind the scenes exciting > > programming features. Without good integrated docs I too have kind > > of stepped back. > > In most public Internet forums, only a surprisingly small percentage > of viewers actually ever post anything. (I've seen some statistics on > this but can't remember exactly what they were.) > > (How many subscribers does this list have? And how many names from > that list would we actually recognize?) > > It occurs to me that we really don't even *know* who TG's users are. > We might think we do. But I'll bet that the less experienced > programmers are substantially under-represented on the current list. > > To address this problem for Python itself, a python-tutor list was > created and has been pretty successful. Beginning users are sometimes > afraid to ask "stupid" questions. This can contribute to the > possibility of them silently moving on to find something easier. In > particular, I'll bet that this developer-heavy list is intimidating to > some, who may be blaming themselves rather than the docs for their not > being able to figure things out. > > I'm not sure if this is a good idea. But perhaps we should have a > turbogears-tutor list? The name turbogears-tutor itself suggests that > "stupid" questions are OK. And the same questions could come up over > and over again without users being coldly referred to a FAQ, since > presumably the list would have moderate turn over as people graduate > to the main lists, and them maybe even the trunk list. :-) > > As an example of how helpful this kind of thing can actually be, look > to the Ubuntu forums. I have. And I'm exceedingly impressed at how > well users of a Linux distro that is quite newbie-heavy have been able > to help each other... often better than an expert could... because > recent newbies understand current newbies' viewpoints better. > > Come to think of it, as a project, we could do worse than to look to > Ubuntu for clues as to how to pick up new users and keep them happy. > > Anyway, just a thought. > > -Steve --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TurboGears" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/turbogears?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
