Personally, I feel quite differently.  I get frustrated that
Turbogears doesn't change quick enough.  It will probably be quite a
while until SQLAlchemy is the main ORM.  I think the very nature of TG
is that it is suited to people who like to be fairly cutting edge.

If you want stability, then Java is definitely a much better language
to work in.

Choice is good.  Complexity is fun.

Ed

On 3/31/07, Eric Hawthorne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I've been doing "web programming" for the maximum possible 14 years,
> which may explain my desire to see a modicum of stability in the tools
> support. Some tools achieve this. E.g. the Java platform as a whole,
> and the Eclipse IDE. They improve, but they stick with their key
> decisions for long enough that you can plan a real-sized project
> around it. Now python web dev is the bees knees, but I'm just trying
> to point out that the major value in Turbogears is in fact its ability
> to get out of your way in an elegant fashion and let you code the
> business logic and the look and feel of your webapp. No fuss, no muss
> with the "standard" internal concerns, thanks to a lot of hard work on
> several peoples' part. But the idea should definitely NOT be to get
> every web app
> developer involved in key architectural decisions again. The idea ought to be 
> to
> handle a lot of that for them. Let's specialize the innovation. Some
> for infrastructure
> improvement, and some for new wild app development. If I need to make
> so many architectural subchoices (rather than just the wise choice to
> select Turbogears), then
> heck I may as well just go back to choosing from all the ugly variants
> of Java web framework layers.
>
> On 3/30/07, Kenneth McDonald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > New to web programming are you? :-)
> >
> > Seriously, I don't know of any Web framework that remains reasonably
> > stable over
> > a three year period.
>
> >
>

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