> Hi, the problem is the --no-site-packages that makes the venv 100%
> isolated which means global packages (mysqldb, win32api, etc.) won't
> be loaded. It's something you normally learn over time but it has come
> up so many times that I think I'm going to add it to the install docs.

I see now.  I thought the "generating Python" would carry the win32all
functionnality over to the venv, site-packages carried over or not.
So do I understand that the virtualenv command 1) generates a new
Python interpreter which it shoves into the venv and then 2) calls
that new interpreter to build whatever else the venv needs ?

> You have 2 options
>
> 1- install win32api inside the venv (I'm not sure this works, some
> complex packages with C dependencies just don't work, not to mention
> you may need a compiler for it)

I'm building an NSIS installer part of which creates venvs.  It's
already hard enough for me to send commands to the system fomr my NSIS
script ;-)

> 2- do not use the --no-site-packages flag which will expose the
> win32api and everything else from your global site-packages to the
> venv, which means you need to be careful with the content of the
> global one or you could screw up your install..

I could live with carrying over my system Python site-packages because
I did not intend it to be loaded with tons of packages.  I expected
the Python in my venvs would extend the system Python with their own
site-packages, so for example I could set up TG2 and some other Pylons
app that requires different versions of SQLAlchemy for example.

But it turns out running the virtualenv command with or without the --
no-site-packages option does not solve the problem : the virtualenv
command still cannot instantiate a venv correctly in an arbitrary
windows location.  The only difference is that my venv Python path is
different :

without --no-site-packages

>>> sys.path

['',
'C:\\WINDOWS\\system32\\python25.zip',
'C:\\Program Files\\MyDir\\TileCache\\DLLs',
'C:\\Program Files\\MyDir\\TileCache\\lib',
'C:\\Program Files\\MyDir\\TileCache\\lib\\plat-win',
'C:\\Program Files\\MyDir\\TileCache\\lib\\lib-tk',
'C:\\Program Files\\MyDir\\TileCache\\Scripts',
'C:\\Program Files\\MyDir\\Python25\\Lib',
'C:\\Program Files\\MyDir\\Python25\\DLLs',
'C:\\Program Files\\MyDir\\Python25\\Lib\\lib-tk',
'C:\\Program Files\\MyDir\\TileCache',
'C:\\Program Files\\MyDir\\TileCache\\lib\\site-packages',
'C:\\Program Files\\MyDir\\Python25',
'C:\\Program Files\\MyDir\\Python25\\lib\\site-packages',
'C:\\Program Files\\MyDir\\Python25\\lib\\site-packages\\win32',
'C:\\Program Files\\MyDir\\Python25\\lib\\site-packages\\win32\\lib',
'C:\\Program Files\\MyDir\\Python25\\lib\\site-packages\\Pythonwin']

with --no-site-packages

>>> sys.path

['',
'C:\\WINDOWS\\system32\\python25.zip',
'C:\\Program Files\\MyDir\\TileCache\\DLLs',
'C:\\Program Files\\MyDir\\TileCache\\lib',
'C:\\Program Files\\MyDir\\TileCache\\lib\\plat-win',
'C:\\Program Files\\MyDir\\TileCache\\lib\\lib-tk',
'C:\\Program Files\\MyDir\\TileCache\\Scripts',
'C:\\Program Files\\MyDir\\Python25\\Lib',
'C:\\Program Files\\MyDir\\Python25\\DLLs',
'C:\\Program Files\\MyDir\\Python25\\Lib\\lib-tk',
'C:\\Program Files\\MyDir\\TileCache',
'C:\\Program Files\\MyDir\\TileCache\\lib\\site-packages']

So I do get an access to my system Python site-packages without the --
no-site-packages flag, which is to be expected, but the virtualenv
command still crashes.

> 3- patch venv to add the --some-site-packages flag, this is something
> that has been discussed yet no one has come up with patches.

AFAICT, this won't solve the issue of virtualenv not being able to
instantiate at an arbitrary location on a windows system, the most
likely location being "C:\Program Files" ...

Thanx for your help,

Yves
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