On 11/09/2010 08:00 PM, Mark Ramm wrote:
What you really need to be successful is a singular set of tools, with
just about everything you should need to write a web app built in,
fully documented as if TG were a single project like Django as far as
the user is concerned. Abstract out all your dependencies too, there's
no reason I should be importing things directly from SQLAlchemy or
Genshi, I should be importing things like tg.database and tg.template,
even if they're only wrappers so that if and when those things are
changed I don't have to go back and update my code to the new
dependency. That also applies to documentation, putting "see docs on
Dependency X's web site" doesn't cut it. If you want to be the full-
featured mega framework, then I should rarely have to leave the
turbogears.org <http://turbogears.org> domain.
Well, we aren't going to wrap the entirity of SQLAlchemy or Genshi or
whatever, because that's a HUGE API to try to manage. But I agree we
need to be doing a better job of managing that set of problems.
It would be possible to encapsulate a reasonable subset for people who
cared about stability more than incremental feature improvements.
I guess I don't really understand the goals of this group.
I guess TG is supposed to target people who want to constantly
change their code to chase the latest-and-greatest bleeding-edge opensource.
If the framework makes me code to components like dB or templates directly,
then I have 2 choices:
1) maintain the code myself when TG tires of the underlying technology
and moves on to something else
2) rewrite my code so it stays current with the framework
Andy
I think we will likely need to create some new abstraction layers in a
couple of key places in order to make the "full stack" approach work in
a world where NoSQL and HTML5 local apps are busy changing the web
framework landscape.
Personally I'm still leaning toward the 3 way merger of BFG/
Pyrmaid, Pylons and TG, with the 2 package concept Mark mentioned
(minimal-core vs full-stack).
I've heard a lot of that in this thread. Sure there's been some
feedback in other directions, but here and offline I'd say the majority
of people are in favor of some kind of merger. And I think that the
momentum that Pyramid has been gaining over the last few days since it's
public announcement has been a very good thing.
--Mark Ramm
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