(08:00:59 AM) *jsdelfino:* morning
(08:01:11 AM) *ant_:* hi
(08:03:40 AM) *jsdelfino:* hi again, sorry got disconnected
(08:04:03 AM) *jsdelfino:* should we resume the discussion from wed.
continue down the task list?
(08:04:15 AM) *ant_:* sure ok
(08:04:37 AM) *jsdelfino:* we're missing a few people today, nobody from
sdo, das, dan is not here either
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(08:05:07 AM) *jmarino:* Friday may be tough
(08:05:25 AM) *jmarino:* or people forgot
(08:05:38 AM) *jmarino:* we could wait 5 and then just start
(08:05:47 AM) *jsdelfino:* let's wait a few mins.
(08:06:39 AM) *cr22rc_inattenti:* Was there a "scheduled" chat for now ?
(08:06:46 AM) *jsdelfino:* during that time, I updated the wiki this
morning, can u guys take a look and let me know if I missed or
mis-interpreted anything?
(08:06:47 AM) *ant_:* yes
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(08:09:32 AM) *ant_:* jboynes: while we're waiting, whats the status of
that org.apache.tuscany.core.webapp stuff? Should I be able to start
trying to use it yet?
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entered the room.*
(08:14:23 AM) *jsdelfino:* ok it's 8:13 do we want to resume? any
comments on the Wiki page? anything missing?
(08:15:33 AM) *jmarino:* you just made the change related to structure,
right?
(08:16:06 AM) *jsdelfino:* the change related to structure?
(08:16:18 AM) *jmarino:* IN consensus to improve the structure, but no
consensus yet on how to improve it]''' Improve the project structure for
the samples and demos
(08:16:21 AM) *jmarino:* Discussion started on the dev list for this,
need to continue and close it
(08:16:40 AM) *jsdelfino:* I updated the page earlier this morning
(08:16:52 AM) *jsdelfino:* that's my understanding of the current
status, yes
(08:17:09 AM) *jmarino:* k that make sense - just wanted to make sure i
didin't miss anything
(08:17:10 AM) *jsdelfino:* is that the correct status?
(08:17:24 AM) *cr22rc:* we had a discussion of structure yesterday ..
writing a summary of that
(08:17:40 AM) *jsdelfino:* ok so it will close on the dev list?
(08:18:05 AM)* ant__
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(08:18:50 AM) *jsdelfino:* going through all the the items, we've left
one open under web services:
(08:19:25 AM) *jsdelfino:* adjust bigbank to use the java2wsdl tool
(08:19:33 AM) *jsdelfino:* rick are you going to do this?
(08:19:47 AM) *jsdelfino:* any volunteer?
(08:19:52 AM) *cr22rc:* yes as soon as I get core working
(08:19:58 AM) *cr22rc:* of bb working that is
(08:20:08 AM) *cr22rc:* working on live stockquote now
(08:20:25 AM) *jsdelfino:* ok, good, next item then... we're going to
skip the sdo and das items I guess
(08:20:51 AM) *jsdelfino:* next section is documentation
(08:21:10 AM) *ant__:* what happened to samples?
(08:21:44 AM) *jsdelfino:* what do u mean? any problems with the samples
section on the wiki page?
(08:22:07 AM) *cr22rc:* BTW TUSCANY-195 is really killing me.
(08:22:21 AM) *ant__:* oh, just refreshd th ewiki page and see its been
updated
(08:22:29 AM) *jsdelfino:* ok :)
(08:22:46 AM) *jmarino:* what is 195?
(08:22:58 AM) *ant__:* what happened with the samples layout though.
there was discussion on IRC last night, any consensus?
(08:23:00 AM) *jsdelfino:* cr22rc, if we have time after we finish this
list, I suggest we discuss how we handle JIRA issues in general, does
that make sense?
(08:23:19 AM) *cr22rc:* yes
(08:23:25 AM) *jsdelfino:* wrt the samples layout, cr22rc is writing a
summary, we close on the dev list
(08:23:29 AM) *cr22rc:* sorry for the off topic
(08:24:09 AM) *jsdelfino:* np, let's move on to documentation
(08:24:43 AM) *jsdelfino:* first item is improved doc on how to set up
your environment, build, and run the samples
(08:25:33 AM) *jsdelfino:* I have some updates to the GetTuscany page
with complete detailed steps that I can post to the wiki today
(08:26:17 AM) *jsdelfino:* do people think it's useful? after we polish
it, we can integrate with the web site?
(08:26:45 AM) *jmarino:* is that something like a "got milk" add ;-)
(08:26:46 AM) *cr22rc:* lets put it on the website .. not distribute
everywhere gets confusing
(08:28:04 AM) *jsdelfino:* ok, rick I may post the first cut on the wiki
as an update of the existing GetTuscany page, then can work with you in
the next 2 days to integrate with the web site, does that work for you?
(08:29:02 AM) *jsdelfino:* if there's no objections, can we move to the
next item?
(08:29:05 AM) *cr22rc:* ok .. not going to argue but you said wiki pages
are hard to delete so my only other 2 cents is open a jira
(08:29:06 AM) *ant__:* whats the URL to the getTuscany page? I cant see
it from the front page
(08:29:26 AM) *jsdelfino:* http://wiki.apache.org/ws/Tuscany/GetTuscany
(08:30:02 AM) *jsdelfino:* it's an old page from feb. it's a little
obsolete now, but there is still a link to it from the web site btw...
(08:30:09 AM) *cr22rc:* community/get involved
(08:30:46 AM) *jsdelfino:* and http://incubator.apache.org/tuscany/news.html
(08:30:50 AM) *jsdelfino:* top of the news
(08:31:13 AM) *jsdelfino:* pointing to an old obsolete set of
instructions...
(08:31:28 AM) *ant__:* ok
(08:32:07 AM) *jsdelfino:* ok next item is "Document how to extend Tuscany"
(08:32:32 AM) *jsdelfino:* looks like Jeremy already has some doc for this
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timed out)).*
(08:33:11 AM) *jsdelfino:* any other volunteers? anything people think
should be added to this?
(08:33:18 AM) *jmarino:* I'm obviously going to do a part
(08:33:33 AM) *jmarino:* atomic and composite components
(08:33:33 AM) *jsdelfino:* good, thanks
(08:33:49 AM) *jsdelfino:* so jeremy and you take care of this one, right?
(08:34:16 AM) *jmarino:* you mean the config loading part?
(08:34:37 AM) *jsdelfino:* in general the doc on how to extend Tuscany
(08:34:54 AM) *jmarino:* why don't you sign both of us up
(08:34:59 AM) *jsdelfino:* ok
(08:35:13 AM) *jsdelfino:* next is more doc on how to contribute / get
involved
(08:35:24 AM) *jsdelfino:* coding guidelines, how to submit a patch
(08:35:35 AM) *cr22rc:* lets open jiras
(08:35:50 AM) *haleh:* getInvolved is done unless there are comments
(08:36:02 AM) *jsdelfino:* I was also thinking about some basic
guidelines / values for ourselves/committers
(08:36:17 AM) *jsdelfino:* I have opened JIRAs for what I think is missing
(08:36:26 AM) *jsdelfino:* how do I submit a patch?
(08:36:26 AM) *cr22rc:* ok
(08:36:33 AM) *jsdelfino:* any coding guidelines?
(08:36:41 AM) *jmarino:* I was going to ask
(08:36:47 AM) *jmarino:* I think it should include that
(08:36:55 AM) *jmarino:* we already have some stuff right?
(08:36:55 AM) *haleh:* OK.. if you get me the coding guidelines I'll
update it.
(08:37:11 AM) *cr22rc:* coding guideline we take about eclipse and ideal
templates
(08:37:22 AM) *jmarino:* I think there are some more things...
(08:37:24 AM) *cr22rc:* part of getting involved
(08:37:31 AM) *jmarino:* exception handling, testcases ,etc
(08:37:40 AM) *jsdelfino:* yes
(08:37:45 AM) *jmarino:* logging
(08:37:50 AM) *haleh:* jmarino: do you have a list from which we can start?
(08:38:06 AM) *jmarino:* those are three things that come to mind
(08:38:15 AM) *jmarino:* we also have right ups on some of that
(08:38:17 AM) *cr22rc:* lets start by submitting those on the mailing list
(08:38:26 AM) *jmarino:* they have been...
(08:38:33 AM) *jmarino:* exception handling is in my sandbox
(08:38:44 AM) *cr22rc:* ok find urls to archieve please
(08:38:54 AM) *ant__:* cr22rc: +1
(08:39:26 AM) *haleh:* Jsdelfino: i can handle this page
(08:39:27 AM) *cr22rc:* and when we agree I'll or someone can put them
on getting involved
(08:39:30 AM) *jmarino:* people can access the sandbox, right?
(08:39:41 AM) *jsdelfino:* here's the list we've discussed so far:
coding guidelines, exception handling, testcases, logging, how to submit
a patch
(08:39:47 AM) *ant__:* not to mention that the most obvious doc about
this people will use is the existing code
(08:40:08 AM) *jsdelfino:* jmarino, jsdelfino provide input
(08:40:28 AM) *jsdelfino:* haleh, rick integrate with the web site
(08:40:34 AM) *jsdelfino:* does that work for everybody?
(08:40:40 AM) *jmarino:* I think Jeremy should provide input too, e.g.
logging
(08:40:40 AM) *haleh:* y
(08:40:55 AM) *jsdelfino:* yes, jboynes, are u ok with that?
(08:41:07 AM) *ant__:* all committers need to provide input to these things
(08:41:08 AM) *cr22rc:* Haleh y? why or yes :-)
(08:41:21 AM) *haleh:* because you do the update ;)
(08:41:45 AM) *jmarino:* url on exception handling in addition to the
doc in the sandbox:
http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/ws-tuscany-dev/200604.mbox/[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(08:41:56 AM) *jsdelfino:* I'll summarize on the wiki page
(08:42:08 AM) *jsdelfino:* jim can u add the url to a JIRA?
(08:42:15 AM) *jsdelfino:* I think there is already one for this
(08:42:20 AM) *jmarino:* fine
(08:42:28 AM) *jsdelfino:* thanks
(08:42:36 AM) *jsdelfino:* next...
(08:42:57 AM) *jsdelfino:* document the architecture and design of the
Tuscany runtime?
(08:43:10 AM) *jsdelfino:* I added that to the list this morning,
thought it was important
(08:43:20 AM) *cr22rc:* +1 big time
(08:43:33 AM) *jsdelfino:* +1 from me too
(08:43:39 AM) *haleh:* separate architecture from design - we need
architecture first
(08:43:54 AM) *jsdelfino:* I volunteer to document the assembly model,
with some diagrams
(08:44:27 AM) *jmarino:* Jeremy and I will do the core
(08:44:43 AM) *jsdelfino:* ok, cool, anybody wants to do the web service
binding?
(08:44:56 AM) *jsdelfino:* and the java container?
(08:45:48 AM) *jmarino:* yea
(08:45:54 AM) *jmarino:* there's not much to it
(08:45:57 AM) *jmarino:* I'll do it
(08:46:07 AM) *jsdelfino:* I think we need one one/two pager for each of
the main components
(08:46:20 AM) *jmarino:* that's fine. I think it may be less than one page
(08:46:25 AM) *jsdelfino:* ok jim I sign you up for the java container
(08:46:30 AM) *jmarino:* sure
(08:46:47 AM) *jsdelfino:* maybe just one diagram and a few overview
paragraphs
(08:46:59 AM) *haleh:* can we have a high level diagram of the whole
runtime and then drill down?
(08:47:09 AM) *jsdelfino:* ant__, interested in contributing the page
for the web service binding?
(08:47:22 AM) *ant__:* oh yes ;)
(08:47:28 AM) *jsdelfino:* :) ok
(08:47:37 AM) *ant__:* js and jsonrpc?
(08:48:05 AM) *jsdelfino:* they deserve a page as well I think, at least
the js container
(08:48:33 AM) *jsdelfino:* if jsonrpc keeps its status of
experimental/incomplete then having a page on it is optional I guess
(08:49:12 AM) *jsdelfino:* ok... looks like we're all going to
contribute pieces of this
(08:49:15 AM) *jsdelfino:* next?
(08:49:36 AM) *jsdelfino:* misc runtime cleanup
(08:49:52 AM) *jsdelfino:* I am assuming that the 3 tasks under this
section are [in]
(08:50:13 AM) *jsdelfino:* and that our core task force is taking care
of this?
(08:50:14 AM) *jmarino:* yea
(08:50:21 AM) *jsdelfino:* jim+jeremy?
(08:50:26 AM) *jmarino:* works
(08:51:04 AM) *jsdelfino:* ok good
(08:51:11 AM) *jsdelfino:* last item I have on the list is...
(08:51:15 AM) *jsdelfino:* JIRA issues :)
(08:51:26 AM) *jsdelfino:* just counted 111 outstanding JIRA issues
(08:52:07 AM) *jsdelfino:* incl. TUSCANY-195, rick's preferred issue at
the moment
(08:53:08 AM) *jsdelfino:* I volunteer to help clean up the 111 issues,
a number of them need to be closed, some have been fixed and just need
re-testing
(08:53:28 AM) *rfeng:* It would be nice to see all the blocking/critical
issues to be resolved
(08:53:36 AM) *rfeng:* I can help
(08:53:48 AM) *jsdelfino:* I can do that cleanup in the next 2/3 days
(08:53:57 AM) *jsdelfino:* thanks raymond
(08:54:05 AM) *rfeng:* np
(08:54:26 AM) *jsdelfino:* we need support from everybody in the team to
pay attention to critical JIRA issues blocking others in the team
(08:55:56 AM) *haleh:* should we go down the list and see what those are?
(08:56:19 AM) *rfeng:* maybe the blocking/critical issues 1st?
(08:56:40 AM) *jsdelfino:* TUSCANY-123
(08:57:07 AM) *jsdelfino:* blocking any external service testing, in
particular web services
(08:57:17 AM) *rfeng:* target invoker not configured?
(08:57:48 AM) *cr22rc:* 178
(08:57:53 AM) *jsdelfino:* yes we actually had 2 issues 123 and 173, so
it's not really isolated, several of us bumped into it
(08:58:02 AM) *rfeng:* this happens if you don't have any reference to a
given external service
(08:58:29 AM) *rfeng:* today we depend on the wirebuilder to create the
target invoker in the WS case
(08:59:10 AM) *rfeng:* seems that the wirebuilder is not triggered if
there's no reference
(08:59:23 AM) *jsdelfino:* jim/jeremy could one of you look into this
and help? this may be just a quick fix...
(08:59:50 AM) *jmarino:* I can probably look at it over the weekend
(09:00:23 AM) *ant__:* Id really like something done for TUSCANY-141
(09:00:47 AM) *jsdelfino:* ok, jim can you assign 123 to yourself? thanks
(09:00:54 AM) *jsdelfino:* this way we know who's signed up for what
(09:00:56 AM) *cr22rc:* OT just posted Sample directory structure and
release packages .. (i'm only the messenger )
(09:01:03 AM) *jsdelfino:* cool :) thx
(09:01:20 AM) *jsdelfino:* looks like we have 178 and 141 coming up next
(09:01:52 AM) *jsdelfino:* 178 requires the sdo guys to provide a shared
name mangling algorithm
(09:02:08 AM) *jsdelfino:* I can help changing the sca code to use it
when it's in place
(09:02:53 AM) *jsdelfino:* rick, do u want to chase the sdo guys, assign
178 to them, and create a 178 subtask and assign it to me?
(09:02:57 AM) *haleh:* How about we assign it to Frank and let him know
this is something we need for the release.
(09:03:43 AM) *jsdelfino:* ok I can do that
(09:03:50 AM) *jsdelfino:* 141 is next?
(09:04:29 AM) *haleh:* it is assigned to Jeremy?
(09:04:41 AM) *jsdelfino:* for this one I went through the
investigation, all the info is in the JIRA, we need Jeremy to complete
the integration of his WSDLRegistry thing
(09:04:48 AM) *cr22rc:* I'll try to look at 178 .. but at a point may
need some help from the SDO guys
(09:05:05 AM) *jsdelfino:* unless it's already there and the JIRA was
not updated since
(09:05:19 AM) *jsdelfino:* need input from jboynes
(09:06:08 AM) *jsdelfino:* next: 195 has been blocking rick for a while now
(09:07:22 AM) *cr22rc:* My *understanding* is this is something that
frank/jeremy have some ideas on
(09:07:33 AM) *jsdelfino:* yes, it is about integrating a mechanism for
defining SDO metadata, Frank is proposing a model for this, need Frank
and Jeremy to figure out the correct solution for this
(09:09:15 AM) *jsdelfino:* these are the most critical ones at the moment
(09:11:14 AM) *jsdelfino:* I think it's important to get these ones
fixed as soon as we can, because a number of us are blocked by them
(09:11:54 AM) *jsdelfino:* like I said before I'll go over all the JIRA
issues and will update their status in the next 2 days
(09:12:20 AM) *haleh:* Can you put these that we agreed to as critical
on Wiki under JIRA?
(09:13:05 AM) *ant__:* what is the plan with fixing defects after the
end of this month? Can we just continue to commit fixes up till May 9th
or is there planed to be some sort of code freeze at some point?
(09:13:20 AM) *jsdelfino:* yes, good idea
(09:13:24 AM) *cr22rc:* how about the incomplete WSDL java interface
(asm) generation ? forgot jira number.
(09:13:49 AM) *jsdelfino:* cr22rc, it's a good one too, raise the
priority if you think it deserves it
(09:14:07 AM) *jsdelfino:* haleh, instead of copying the list to the
wiki, I think I can do better
(09:14:10 AM) *cr22rc:* I think you need that for just DDO on more
complicate interfaces
(09:14:14 AM) *jsdelfino:* I'll add a link to a live JIRA query
(09:14:39 AM) *haleh:* OK.
(09:14:40 AM) *jsdelfino:* and we need to adjust the priorities of the
JIRA issues to get the correct status
(09:15:26 AM) *jsdelfino:* ant, I think we should fix the JIRA issues
blocking dev/progress now
(09:15:41 AM) *jsdelfino:* stop adding significant new function on Aprl 28th
(09:15:57 AM) *jsdelfino:* fix all the major bugs we find for a week
(09:16:27 AM) *jsdelfino:* then the last week go through a more
controlled mode where committers control/vote/agree on the bug fixes
(09:16:38 AM) *jsdelfino:* that's just my view, open for discussion
(09:16:48 AM) *jsdelfino:* why don't we make this the subject of our
next chat??
(09:17:18 AM) *cr22rc:* I think for core ... for some samples we may
need work since that's when the core is may first be stable
(09:17:23 AM) *ant__:* we've voted you the RM so to an extent you get to
decide that. but what you've just proposed sounds good to me: +1
(09:17:27 AM) *jsdelfino:* strategy for freezing the release / core
requirements/guidelines for contributors and committers / handling of JIRAs
(09:18:10 AM) *jsdelfino:* would be the main subject for the next chat,
does that work for you guys? and we close this one for today?
(09:18:46 AM) *ant__:* is the next chat Monday?
(09:19:38 AM) *cr22rc:* same time, same place ?
(09:19:38 AM) *jsdelfino:* whenever works best for people, I think some
of us are travelling to europe for spec discussions, jim, jeremy, does
monday work for you?
(09:19:46 AM) *ant__:* (thats what was proposed for the regular weekly chat)
(09:20:14 AM) *jsdelfino:* yes, let's have the next chat on the regular
time/place
(09:20:33 AM) *haleh:* cheers
(09:20:36 AM) *jmarino:* it probably will. I don't know where I'll be
but I should be able to make it
(09:21:01 AM) *jsdelfino:* k, good, I'll send a reminder
(09:21:04 AM) *ant__:* see you all Monday then...
(09:21:06 AM)* haleh left the room.*
(09:21:11 AM)* ant__ is now known as ant_away*
(09:21:11 AM) *jsdelfino:* thank you all, tty on monday!
(09:21:28 AM) *jsdelfino:* as usual I'll send the log to the dev list
(09:21:29 AM) *jsdelfino:* bye
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Jean-Sebastien
