Jeremy Thanks for the detailed reply.
Geronimo has private lists for stuff under NDA and has had various people on different expert groups (e.g. a couple of us were on JSR-220). In general, there are a lot of Apache projects that work with the JCP and deal with the closed nature of JSRs - Tomcat, Portal, Axis come to mind.
1) Apache is a member of the JCP. Apache is not a member of the SCA spec group. (Whose name I don't even know.) 2) I believe that the only geronimo private list is for the TCK, and only used for TCK compliance tests and results. I'm not sure that there is a good analogy as there is no Spec based IP being donated to that list. Furthermore it took a long time to clear up the IP issues between the JCP and Apache. I have no faith that that model is transferrable without legal review.
Apache projects also provide functions over and above published specifications, features that are relevant to the users and developers of the project. Sometimes those innovations get picked up and included by specification bodies - open source shaping the future.
That is great. The code we write in Apache is completely open and guaranteed by the ICLAs that users commit code under, and by the Apache License.
We just had an example of this with Tuscany where thoughts on a recursive structure (which have been in mind since before we came to Apache) contributed to a significant change in the specification.
Cool. Glad to hear it. I am very pleased by this because I hoped that Tuscany would feel free to innovate beyond the published SCA spec.
As a project, we can continue to implement a now-obsolete draft from last year, or we can innovate, influence
Yes we can innovate and influence. That goes from Apache -> Spec Group, which is fine.
and track the specs
That is the concern, if we are tracking unpublished specs. If you are under an NDA with the spec group, then you may not have had the right to contribute the code that you contributed to the sandbox. As no-one has yet answered my questions about the the IP arrangements of the spec group this is pure supposition. Maybe someone will get round to answering those questions. Or maybe the NDA is under NDA and no-one is allowed to post that information here :-) Paul -- Paul Fremantle VP/Technology, WSO2 and OASIS WS-RX TC Co-chair http://bloglines.com/blog/paulfremantle [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Oxygenating the Web Service Platform", www.wso2.com --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
